THE GETTYS
STUART TOWNEND
MATT MAHER
Looking for Gold Nuggets in a Manure Pile
FROM DAVID CLOUD'S WAY OF LIFE AT: http://www.wayoflife.org/index_files/looking_for_gold_nuggets.html
Republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:
A couple of years ago, a music leader who has been involved with the Wilds Music Conference shared the following thoughts with me. I have since come to see that this is rapidly becoming the consensus within independent Baptist circles.
He said:
“When it comes to CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) and CWM (Contemporary Worship Music), I am not and never have been an ‘absolute separatist.’ ... I hold out hope that even a pony can find a gold nugget in a pile of manure, as the earthy saying goes! Translated: If a CWM artist ‘accidentally’ writes a song that has theologically solid lyrics and a timeless melody that reminds one of the great Scotch-Irish-Welsh tune tradition that has informed our own favorite hymns, and that song is re-arranged appropriately to remove any hint of pop/rock beats and stylings, I am not 100% opposed to its use. ... I also understand there is another view of my analogy here, that some would rather not have to dip their hands into that manure pile looking just for the few nuggets! ... We choose our songs very carefully.”
He mentioned the Gettys as an example of those he borrows from.BRO. CLOUD’S REPLY The gold in question is not that valuable, and the manure is very dirty; it is tainted with deadly poison, and those who are defiled thereby are rarely ever cleansed.
Few men better understand the ecumenical-charismatic movement represented by the contemporary worship artists than I do, because of my unique background and 40 years of experience and research; and with the utmost passion I can muster, I would warn that the danger of adapting contemporary worship music far outweighs the benefit.
Look at the future. Look at the potential fruit. Look at the next generation.
Can you be sure that the young people in your churches will not be influenced by the “easy going,” judge not philosophy and the radical ecumenical thinking of even the most conservative of contemporary worship musicians, including the Gettys?
Won’t many of them be more careless than you in their selection of songs? I know many independent Baptists who are ignorantly singing contemporary songs with a charismatic message, such as “Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)” by Hillsong United and “Word of God Speak” by MercyMe.
He said:
“When it comes to CCM (Contemporary Christian Music) and CWM (Contemporary Worship Music), I am not and never have been an ‘absolute separatist.’ ... I hold out hope that even a pony can find a gold nugget in a pile of manure, as the earthy saying goes! Translated: If a CWM artist ‘accidentally’ writes a song that has theologically solid lyrics and a timeless melody that reminds one of the great Scotch-Irish-Welsh tune tradition that has informed our own favorite hymns, and that song is re-arranged appropriately to remove any hint of pop/rock beats and stylings, I am not 100% opposed to its use. ... I also understand there is another view of my analogy here, that some would rather not have to dip their hands into that manure pile looking just for the few nuggets! ... We choose our songs very carefully.”
He mentioned the Gettys as an example of those he borrows from.BRO. CLOUD’S REPLY The gold in question is not that valuable, and the manure is very dirty; it is tainted with deadly poison, and those who are defiled thereby are rarely ever cleansed.
Few men better understand the ecumenical-charismatic movement represented by the contemporary worship artists than I do, because of my unique background and 40 years of experience and research; and with the utmost passion I can muster, I would warn that the danger of adapting contemporary worship music far outweighs the benefit.
Look at the future. Look at the potential fruit. Look at the next generation.
Can you be sure that the young people in your churches will not be influenced by the “easy going,” judge not philosophy and the radical ecumenical thinking of even the most conservative of contemporary worship musicians, including the Gettys?
Won’t many of them be more careless than you in their selection of songs? I know many independent Baptists who are ignorantly singing contemporary songs with a charismatic message, such as “Oceans (Where Feet May Fail)” by Hillsong United and “Word of God Speak” by MercyMe.
Won’t some doubtless “get in touch” with these people via the web and through that association be influenced away from a “staunch biblicist” stance?
Won’t the young people in the “adapting” churches fall in love with the “real” thing: the full-blown rock & roll that the contemporary artists love?
In fact, this is exactly what is happening everywhere. We have documented how that some prominent young members of the music department at Lancaster Baptist Church in Lancaster, California, are moving into full-blown contemporary Christian music. (See “The Next Generation Rocking at Lancaster,” www.wayoflife.org)
A student at West Coast Baptist College wrote to me recently and shared the following testimony:
“I’ve been raised in conservative, traditional, hymn-playing music. There’s obvious signs of contemporary movements among the student body and even organized services. In the dorms, they only sing worship songs really, and the church sings many contemporary songs as well. The student body is largely into Christian rock, pop, etc. ... I feel like Lancaster Baptist Church thrives in many areas of ministry, and while I think they’d help in so many ways, I’m worried I’ll graduate with a warped philosophy mixed with my conservatism.”
That “warped philosophy” is the leaven that will ruin every good thing that is being taught at Lancaster, and the foolish decision to play around with “soft rock” and to “adapt” nuggets from the manure pile of contemporary music is at the heart of the problem.
I simply don’t understand the motivation to spend all of the time and labor and money to “adapt” music by people like the Gettys, which Soundforth and others are doing, when there is such a vast amount of unquestionably sacred music, both old and new, that is not coming from the one-world church movement and has no spiritual danger attached to it.
(NOTE: http://www.lorenz.com/Results.aspx?page=1&rpp=25&title=GETTY&voicing1=&div=&producttype=*&usage=&level=&pop=False&pod=True&bnew=True&bbest=False&sortorder=ASC&composer=&acap=False&series=&SearchOpt=&biblebook=&biblechapter=-1&bibleverse=-1&divwiseproduct=False&Widget=0)
Candidly, I suspect that most of those who are behind this simply love contemporary worship music (the real thing) and have an agenda of gradually introducing it into the churches by the "toning down" method. Think about it. How do you find the “gold” in the “manure pile”? Only by getting down in the manure and searching through it!
The Gettys and their friends readily and warmly and unapologetically associate with Mary-venerating Roman Catholics such as Matt Maher. Is this not a bright red warning sign? Can it be that there is no spiritual danger here? It is not obvious that we are dealing with “another spirit” no matter how high-sounding the words of their lyrics?
If the “evangelical” Gettys associating with Roman Catholic Matt Maher and his Methodist wife, who are raising their children “in both churches,” is not the “one-world church,” what is?
I have documented the previous facts as well as the one-world church aspect of contemporary worship music in general in The Directory of Contemporary Worship Musicians.
We say we love the truth; where, though, is the hatred of EVERY false way?
"Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way" (Psalm 119:128).
When I study the Gettys, Townend, MercyMe, etc., it doesn’t make me want to use their music. It makes me want to reprove them, warn about them, and run away from them!
Instead of spending time, labor, and money trying to find gold in the manure pile, why not invest that in warning God’s people about the manure pile and teaching the next generation about biblical separation? God’s Word does not command separation to hurt us but to protect us. Aren’t “better safe than sorry” and “better to err on the side of safety” biblical principles, as reflected in such verses as the following?
“Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?” (1 Corinthians 5:6).
“Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Corinthians 15:33).
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” (2 Corinthians 6:17).
Doesn’t “touch not the unclean thing” refer to ANY manure pile?
I have been sounding this warning and asking these questions for a long time. I would love to be answered from Scripture rightly divided and sound logic rather than silence and ad hominem attacks.
I wish you well in every endeavor in the truth.
Won’t the young people in the “adapting” churches fall in love with the “real” thing: the full-blown rock & roll that the contemporary artists love?
In fact, this is exactly what is happening everywhere. We have documented how that some prominent young members of the music department at Lancaster Baptist Church in Lancaster, California, are moving into full-blown contemporary Christian music. (See “The Next Generation Rocking at Lancaster,” www.wayoflife.org)
A student at West Coast Baptist College wrote to me recently and shared the following testimony:
“I’ve been raised in conservative, traditional, hymn-playing music. There’s obvious signs of contemporary movements among the student body and even organized services. In the dorms, they only sing worship songs really, and the church sings many contemporary songs as well. The student body is largely into Christian rock, pop, etc. ... I feel like Lancaster Baptist Church thrives in many areas of ministry, and while I think they’d help in so many ways, I’m worried I’ll graduate with a warped philosophy mixed with my conservatism.”
That “warped philosophy” is the leaven that will ruin every good thing that is being taught at Lancaster, and the foolish decision to play around with “soft rock” and to “adapt” nuggets from the manure pile of contemporary music is at the heart of the problem.
I simply don’t understand the motivation to spend all of the time and labor and money to “adapt” music by people like the Gettys, which Soundforth and others are doing, when there is such a vast amount of unquestionably sacred music, both old and new, that is not coming from the one-world church movement and has no spiritual danger attached to it.
(NOTE: http://www.lorenz.com/Results.aspx?page=1&rpp=25&title=GETTY&voicing1=&div=&producttype=*&usage=&level=&pop=False&pod=True&bnew=True&bbest=False&sortorder=ASC&composer=&acap=False&series=&SearchOpt=&biblebook=&biblechapter=-1&bibleverse=-1&divwiseproduct=False&Widget=0)
Candidly, I suspect that most of those who are behind this simply love contemporary worship music (the real thing) and have an agenda of gradually introducing it into the churches by the "toning down" method. Think about it. How do you find the “gold” in the “manure pile”? Only by getting down in the manure and searching through it!
The Gettys and their friends readily and warmly and unapologetically associate with Mary-venerating Roman Catholics such as Matt Maher. Is this not a bright red warning sign? Can it be that there is no spiritual danger here? It is not obvious that we are dealing with “another spirit” no matter how high-sounding the words of their lyrics?
If the “evangelical” Gettys associating with Roman Catholic Matt Maher and his Methodist wife, who are raising their children “in both churches,” is not the “one-world church,” what is?
I have documented the previous facts as well as the one-world church aspect of contemporary worship music in general in The Directory of Contemporary Worship Musicians.
We say we love the truth; where, though, is the hatred of EVERY false way?
"Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way" (Psalm 119:128).
When I study the Gettys, Townend, MercyMe, etc., it doesn’t make me want to use their music. It makes me want to reprove them, warn about them, and run away from them!
Instead of spending time, labor, and money trying to find gold in the manure pile, why not invest that in warning God’s people about the manure pile and teaching the next generation about biblical separation? God’s Word does not command separation to hurt us but to protect us. Aren’t “better safe than sorry” and “better to err on the side of safety” biblical principles, as reflected in such verses as the following?
“Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?” (1 Corinthians 5:6).
“Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Corinthians 15:33).
“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” (2 Corinthians 6:17).
Doesn’t “touch not the unclean thing” refer to ANY manure pile?
I have been sounding this warning and asking these questions for a long time. I would love to be answered from Scripture rightly divided and sound logic rather than silence and ad hominem attacks.
I wish you well in every endeavor in the truth.
