Sunday, May 19, 2013


John 5:43-44-"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?"
Romans 2:21-"You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?"
Romans 12:5-"so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another."
Romans 12:16-"Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion."
1 Cor. 3:4-"For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal?"
1 Cor. 12:25-"that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another."
2 Cor. 11:4-"For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted --you may well put up with it!"
Gal. 1:7-"which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ."
Col. 3:16-"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."
2 Tim. 3:13-17-"But evil men and seducers will go forward to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But continue in the things that you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from a babe you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished to every good work."
Matt. 7:13-"Go in through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in through it."

    The Willow Creek Association of Bill Hybels will again be holding the Global Leadership Summit August 8-9, 2013. Here are the promotional videos:, and/or

    This event will be telecast or simulcast to other contemporary emerging churches which glory in the Warren/Hybels new paradigm of doing church, i.e., running a church like a business instead of the model created by Jesus Christ. The above thirteen guest speakers include high profile business world instructors, lawyers, psychologists, mega church pastors, new age practitioners and high level government alumni. Only the best of the best were invited this time so that you and your local church "leaders" can learn more about the workings of running a "business model" church that promises to grow exponentially IF you carefully follow their combined wisdom. Oh, what would the church world do without the benefit of their advice? Return to fundamental Christianity? Heaven forbid! The question that will be scrubbed from this conference is: "What would Jesus do?" You can be certain that although these name the name of Christ and claim to be people of faith, (but in what you may ask), they glory in man's wisdom as an improvement on, and superior to, the Word of God. So get ready for what August will bring in the way of unheard of revelations from this gnostic group.
    We will be focusing on several of these to demonstrate that their advice and wisdom is of this world, derived from another gospel that repudiates the true authentic gospel of Jesus Christ, and represents not only a false methodology for doing church, but is poisonous to those who accept their apostate/heretical teachings without comparing to the Bible standard.
    We will not be focusing on Bill Hybels, Andy Stanley, Colin Powell, and others who are well known to the church world and the secular world of business. Instead, for the purpose of this post and the overall aim of this blog, we will focus on Dr. Brene Brown, Dr. Henry Cloud, Mark Burnett, and Chris Brown, supplying as much information about them gleaned from their own websites, writings, videos, and other third party sources to uncover what they believe and promote.
WARNING # 1: It needs to be said that churches should not be run like businesses. When churches are run like corporations, pastors, elders and deacons lose whatever humility they once had and become manipulative dictatorial leaders and/or task masters, and discard their roles as shepherds, ministers, caring advisers, and equal members of the body of Christ, under the authority of God. Frequently, and in their sinful arrogance and independent spirit, the result is a complete failure to teach from the Bible, disciple believers, and warn and/or correct the congregation in a loving way about apostates, heretics, false teachers, false prophets, and the twisting of Scripture. Instead, they themselves become the focus of worship, the primary and final arbiters of truth, doctrine, and practice on their own authority. Members are ridiculed for wanting to hear Bible based expository preaching on the pretense that it just makes people fat and lazy, unwilling to work for the common good of the church. Adopting a business-like structure in church creates a hierarchy of authority, a "chain of command", leads to abuse, contributes to gnosticism, fosters elitism, belittles the congregation as a working class, values performance over grace, diverts from the God-given guidance of Scripture and focuses on implementing the vision cast by leaders, requires the congregation to subject themselves to unbiblical self-appointed change agents, drives the congregation away from the true gospel of grace towards a social gospel of works, creates a socialist, collectivist, community organizational structure that denies or suppresses individualism, individual thought, and individual effort. Compliance and compliant church members fit into this unbiblical business community, and consequently, individualistic personalities are routinely discarded and booted out if they "don't get with the program".

WARNING # 2: In our post of February 28, 2013, we showed that Tim Keller is giving advice to mega church pastors, such as at Willowdale Chapel of Kennett Square, PA. As with more than a few of the 13 guest speakers at GLS 2013, Keller is also enthralled with offering a blend of worldly humanistic psychological theories with Scripture, known among discerning Christians as psycho-heresy. Here again is what we posted on February 28, along with the sources:

 Sources show Keller may not be the biblical "go to guy" for advice, whether for individual Christians or churches: Excellent expose of Keller's false gospel. A quote from this article sums it up:
"You will see that he is deeply ecumenical in approach and sympathetic to the Catholic cause. Indeed, his commitment to the Catholicism is so deep that Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York engages in mystical Catholic practices. He has such a low view of Scripture that he goes out of his way to promote the false doctrine of theistic evolution. He is so impressed with the idea of humanistic psychology that his church runs a fee charging counselling service that integrates psychological theories with Scripture. He is so taken with the ways of the world that he promotes a liberal political agenda. And the great tragedy of Tim Keller is that all this is done under the banner of Reformed Calvinism."
From Teaching the Word":
"Tim Keller: Dangerously Influential":
"Tim Keller's Gutless Gospel":, in which Keller expresses his doubts about Jesus Christ to Mr. Bashir:
"Tim Keller's False Gospel: Changing Both the Method and the Message":
"Tim Keller's False Gospel: A 'Sandwich' Made Without the Bread of Life":
"Keller's Affinity With Rome":
"Keller and the Mystics":
"Keller's Mysticism":

    But Lafferty and Willowdale's leadership have apparently learned a lot from Keller as well as Warren. Of course, all these emergents would claim a biblical mandate from Scripture. That may be so, but the implementation is not. They all seem to want to redeem the culture with good works, applying "salt and light" and/or present an attractive image to the unregenerate. Unfortunately, they will attempt to accomplish that goal through implementing a collectivist/fascist business model based on Peter Drucker's ideas for business (the three legged stool), and which is the foundation of Warren's "Purpose Driven" methods. 
    The second aim appears to be the establishment of God's kingdom on earth or at least preparing the way, allegedly to reign, but not to rule, falling just short of the seven "dominionist" aims of the New Apostolic Reformation which includes ruling the culture.
    Lost in all this is the one-on-one traditional biblical model of evangelism, as well as the important role of individuals in such. Now, the message is that the sum total of all individuals spreading the gospel cannot be as effective as the collectivist community inside a business model. This is explored at length by Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for the Faith (Pirate Radio) in this audio "Resistance is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated into The Community".
This year’s presenters include:

Bill Hybels, founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church, South Barrington, Ill.
Gen. Colin Powell, former U.S. secretary of state
Dr. BrenĂ© Brown, research professor at University of Houston Graduate College of Social Work
Mark Burnett, four-time Emmy Award winner and executive television producer of “The Voice” and “The Bible”
Vijay Bovindarajan, Top 50 Management Thinker, and author of Reverse Innovation and The Other Side of Innovation
Patrick Lencioni, best-selling author, founder and president of The Table Group, and named one of America’s Most Sought-After Businesses Speakers by The Wall Street Journal
Liz Wiseman, executive strategy and leadership consultant, author of the best seller Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter
Oscar Muriu, senior pastor of Nairobi Chapel, Kenya, with 14,000 weekly worshippers and a network of 30 churches
Dr. Henry Cloud, clinical psychologist, leadership consultant and author of the 2-million seller Boundaries
Chris Brown, co-senior pastor and teaching pastor of North Coast Church with 9,000-plus attendees, 25 worship services and multiple campuses
Joseph Grenny, co-founder of VitalSmarts and author of four best-selling books, including Crucial Conversations
Bob Goff, founder and CEO of Restore International, giving voice to oppressed children and the poorest of the poor
Andy Stanley, founder and senior pastor of North Point Ministries, Atlanta, Ga.

1) Dr. Brene Brown is described on Emerging Women here:
Dr. Brene Brown's website,, contains a short biography on her own website, which contains a link,, to Oprah Winfrey's Super Soul Sunday. 
    Yes, it appears the two are in fact "soulmates", promoting "psycho-heresy" (psychology and religious heresy mixture), further blended with New Age beliefs and practices such as yoga, mindfulness, holistic medicine, ecumenism, universalism, Hinduism, Buddhism, mantras, breath prayers, contemplative prayer with emptying of the mind, goddess worship, and an array of pagan, mystical ideas. All this while insisting they are Christians!

in which Brown participated and joined with Oprah, the latter claiming to be Christian, but practices and promulgates New Age beliefs, practices, and practitioners. Some examples of sessions with Oprah are in these select videos:

Brown on her concept of "wholeheartedness":
Brown's "Parenting Manifesto":

Brown has written for "Spirituality and Health", a New Age/Yoga online website here: 

Brown is associated with Eomega, another New Age/Yoga website,, as a workshop teacher as shown here:
Eomega offers: 
Quote: "new truths to help you unlock your full potential. Explore the intimate connection between body, mind and spirit through yoga, meditation, spiritual, wellness, and personal growth retreats and workshops." 
and Eomega cites its source at quote: "The name "Omega" came from the teachings of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a renowned 20th-century philosopher, who used the term "Omega Point", to describe the peak of unity and integration toward which all life is evolving." Chardin is a New Age mystic, Catholic Jesuit priest, influenced by Charles Darwin's evolution theory. 

2) Dr. Henry Cloud, clinical psychologist,

Wikipedia states "Cloud co-founded and built Minirth-Meier ClinicWest and served as its Clinical Co-Director for ten years." and " (has) PhD degree in clinical psychology from Biola University (1987). He also took classes from Talbot Theological Seminary." Talbot is at Biola University, and has been one of the top seminaries teaching spiritual formation and contemplative mysticism. 

Pat Robertson of CBN interviews Cloud about his book "The Secret Things of God", and his comments clearly point to a fusion of New Age practices and beliefs with Christianity, and in which he states that the Secret is "basically the New Age philosophy that says your thoughts create reality". The video of this astounding interview is here:
This is the book promotion video:

A less than complimentary review of his book was also written at CBN's 700 Club site here: Cloud is quoted as saying about his book therein as "a huge cultural phenomenon and is classic, new-age philosophy. " And the review further states "As a psychologist, he is amazed at 'the secret things of God' validated by research and clinical practice. 
'In fact, I do not know of any successful clinical process or practice that does not agree with God’s secrets', he says. " The article goes on to describe a mystical encounter with Jesus by a Jewish woman: "She was going through a challenging time and asked God to show up. She was immediately embraced by the presence of Jesus."
Cloud has had a working relationship with Bill Hybels' Willow Creek Association as shown in these videos in which Cloud describes how to do "pruning" in your church. 
This is very similar to James McDonald's "catapulting" uncooperative church members out of the parking lot, and the foul mouthed/cussing pastor, Mark Driscoll's "blessed subtraction" by getting rid of disagreeable church members by "throwing them under the bus".
Driscoll's "pile of dead bodies behind the bus":

Cloud with Steven Furtick of Elevation Church in this video discussing Cloud's "Necessary Endings":


Cloud claims that "dreams respond to positive and negative voices" in this video. Could the negative voices be demonic? 


Cloud and Townsend on how to be a "vision caster/change agent" in their "Ultimate Leadership Workshops". See:
 Cloud says traditional bible practices are useless according to the Jeff Prock YouTube video here:


3) Mark Burnett, married to Roma Downey, were previously covered in a prior post of ours and the pertinent material from that post is copied and pasted here. They are clearly New Agers:
Mark & Roma with Oprah, the queen of New Age: 

Roma Downey:
Dave Mosher Blog has a group of excellent posts on Roma Downey and her New Age beliefs and associations, in particular this one:, revised March 27, 2013. In it we see Roma Downey on the cover of OM Times, New Age publication. See Downey's biography and interview at OM Times here:

David Cloud's Way of Life reports:
Roma Downey, the Roman Catholic co-creator (with her husband, Mark Burnett) of the History Channel’s popular “The Bible” miniseries, says Pope Francis is “a new pope of hope” (“Roma Downey,” Christian Post, April 4, 2013). Here is the promotion video of "The Bible" series:

    Downey, famous for her role as “the angel Monica” in the new-agey TV series “Touched by an Angel,” plays the part of Mary in “The Bible” miniseries. She says the example of Pope Francis will cause “the seeds of hope to flourish in people’s hearts and people’s lives.” In an earlier interview, Downey said, “I have prayed to Mary and loved her my whole life” (“The Bible: An Epic Mini-Series,”, Feb. 28, 2013). Roma attended the University of Santa Monica Master's degrees in Spiritual Psychology“founded by New Age spiritual and self-help guru John Roger” (“Roma Downey Happy Out of Spotlight,” Beck/Smith Hollywood, April 23, 2013). She says that she listens to books on tape by New Age guru Eckhart Tolle, who teaches the divinity of man. The creators of “The Bible” miniseries have not been afraid to add to and change God’s Word.

Christian Research Network discusses Downey and the "Bible" miniseries:

Rick Warren's Saddleback Church invited Downey and Burnett to do a "question and answer" time during February 2013 showing of the Bible miniseries:

4) Chris Brown of North Coast Church,, the largest Evangelical Free Church in the U.S.A. What more didn't we know that we should have known by now?
Chris Brown on avoiding "stained glass" words when inviting unchurched/unsaved visitors to church as part of their Creative Leadership Training:

Brown on "Sermon Series Branding" to make sermons palatable to the world by always changing everything in the church, so it doesn't look the same as it did 40 years ago. So much for traditional Christianity:
Ceilings of Creativity that hold things back in church, by Brown:
Here is an example of one mega church, Willowdale Chapel of Kennett Square, PA, influenced by all the emergent leaders including Rick Warren and Bill Hybels, and which will be hosting a live simulcast of the Global Leadership Summit this coming August:

Likewise, Olivet Nazarene University will be doing the simulcast in their church. The following website link describes the event here:,_Mark_Burnett_and_Bill_Hybels__featured_at_Olivet%E2%80%99s_live_telecast_of_2013_Global_Leadership_Summit.aspx#.UZj_e7V1-p9.
Quote from above link:
Chosen as a premier host site, Olivet will host the live telecast of the Willow Creek Association’s 2013 Global Leadership Summit on August 8 and 9. This two-day event will be broadcast live from Willow Creek Community Church to Olivet’s site at College Church of the Nazarene, North Campus, in Bourbonnais, Ill. Since on-site seats at the main site in South Barrington, Ill., are already sold out, this provides a unique opportunity for local leaders of businesses, churches and organizations to experience the Summit via live telecast. 




Brent Detwiler,, and other sources including, and
reported the court's dismissal, but Susan Burke, attorney for plaintiffs will appeal. 
Here is Detwiler's report in full below:

Statement by Susan Burke Regarding Statute of Limitations, Bravery, Appeal, & Criminal Proceedings
Saturday, May 18, 2013 at 4:28PM
Brent Detwiler
Susan Burke, the plaintiff’s attorney, gave The Wartburg Watch permission to reprint the following statement, verbatim.
We (the victims and the lawyers) all knew about the statute issue at the outset.  But fighting for justice means doing so even against known obstacles.  We had a conspiracy theory to overcome the statute but the Court rejected it.  The victims are all brave and courageous people whose willingness to fight against evil has already made a difference in the world.  Also, please realize going forward with a civil lawsuit does not in any way prevent criminal actions – perhaps may even make it more likely.  And please keep praying, as we think the Court erred, and will be appealing her ruling. 
All the best,
Susan L. Burke
If you read the 2nd Amended Complaint you’ll notice the emphasis on the conspiracy by the Defendants being discovered by the Plaintiffs in August, 2011.  Susan Burke and Bill O’Neil hoped to overcome the statute of limitations using this legal argument.
These two lawyers took the case knowing it would be hard to argue successfully.  They invested a lot of their own resources for the good of justice, the cause of the Plaintiffs, and the prevention of sex abuse.  The same is true of the Defendants.  One told me, they planned to keep $1 in damages and put the rest into a non-profit Foundation to help the victims of abuse. 
The law “may” require the Judge to dismiss the case due to the statute of limitations.  If so, she did no wrong but that does NOT mean justice has been served.  It has been circumvented.  God is interested in justice.  Civil authorities often fall short in providing it.  Then again the appeal may be successful. 
This much I can tell you with certainty.  Going forward with the appeal “does not in any way prevent criminal actions – perhaps may even make it more likely.”  “Criminal actions.”  That means arresting people.  “More likely.”  That is an understatement by Ms. Burke.
The criminal investigations are going on behind the scenes.  Believe me when I say no one cited in the lawsuit is sleeping well at night.  There are numerous criminal charges under consideration from obstruction of justice to rape.  Plaintiffs are determined to press ahead.  They may never be remunerated but they are not going to let their abusers, abuse others.  The dismissal was excruciating but they are undeterred.  Pray for them.
Pray also for law enforcement officials, witnesses who provide testimony, and victims in other churches who are afraid to come forward.