Wednesday, February 12, 2014




Catherine Engelbrecht's Testimony; 

House of Representatives Hearing on IRS Targeting

of Her, Her Family, Her Business, 
and Her Political Pursuits

GOP and Dem Reps Clash over Whether 'Coincidence' Multiple Agencies Targeted a conservative:

Megyn Kelly talks to Catherine Engelbrecht 

of True The Vote 5-22-2013:

Conservative Women's Network: Catherine Engelbrecht:

45 Minute Videos of her speech:


Update February 12, 2014:

IRS Demands Businesses Show 

“Bonafide Reasons” for Layoffs:





Urban Parks: 

A Tool of the Communitarian Utopia - Part 2/2

Republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:

It's just like George (Orwell) said it would be!

The all-seeing eye of Big Brother is watching you.

Even before Pres. Obama's inauguration, the U.S. has supported themes that have been central to the work of the common good.[1] To assure all is well in the Homeland, the President and others like him, are placing cameras in urban parks, because Communitarians believe that security comes first.
 Audio is an integrated part of a video surveillance system.

"Privacy isn't all it's made out to be," says Amitai Etzioni, one of the prominent founders of Communitarian philosophy. He believes that without privacy, no society can remain free, but communities have legitimate needs that sometimes must override privacy rights. [2]
Elements of the storyline in Nineteen Eighty-Four continue to resemble our current government programs and the development of certainmodern technology. As George Orwell wrote so many years ago:
"... surveillance allows for effective control of the citizenry. The smallest sign of rebellion, even something so small as a facial expression, can result in immediate arrest and imprisonment. Thus, citizens (and particularly party members) are compelled to absolute obedience at all times." Wikipedia
 Tom Lee Park, Memphis, TN

While new parks continue to pop up across the country, it seems unlikely to most that the government would have something intrusive and sinister up its sleeve. The reality of it is that parks will become a place where conformity is nurtured for the sake of social control, and tolerance encouraged for the sake of harmony. It is a place where opposition can be silenced, and the new groupthink can be brought about by well-connected leaders for the common good.

Note what this American politician said about the common good.
"Throughout history, no tyrant ever rose to power except on the claim of representing "the common good." Napoleon served "the common good" of France. Hitler was "serving the common good" of Germany. Horrors which no man would dare consider for his own selfish sake are perpetrated with a clear conscience by "altruists" who justify themselves by — the common good. " Ron Paul (Not an endorsement)
Coincidentally, Pope Francis recently made a comment about the common good. During his September 16, 2013 Mass, he preached, “Let us pray for leaders, that they govern us well; that they bring our homeland, our nations, our world, forward, to achieve peace and the common good.”[3]

Partnerships - What is in a word? 

Terms like social justice, sustainability, smart growth, collectivism and sacrificing for the greater good represent some of the buzz words of Communitarianism. Partnership and alliance are an example of two other words that carry meaning for the revolution, which are heard more frequently.

Central Park, the first landscaped park in America, 
uses surveillance systems that have reduced crime, 
but they have no privacy.

New York City's Central Park leads by example with their surveillance cameras and partnerships. In building the community of oneness, "partnerships" are the order of the day. The National Park Service states that:
"...partnerships are essential and effective means for the National Park Service to fulfill parts of our mission and foster a shared sense of stewardship that is so crucial for our future."[4]
Partnership for Parks has impacted the park system of upper Manhattan, and has spread to other cities across the country. As you watch the video below, be aware of the influence of sustainability on this new approach to the management of public land between the public and private sector. They want you to believe that, "Alone, no one sector (government, business, or social) can meet the needs of family, children, and community. But together, in new kinds of equal partnerships, each addressing a specific need, we can begin to rebuild cohesive communities."[6] It is the way global governance is creating a seamless web of control. 

Partnerships for Parks Video:

Published on Nov 18, 2013
Partnerships for Parks is an innovative joint program of City Parks Foundation & NYC Parks. Founded in 1995, Partnerships has been helping New Yorkers work together to make neighborhood parks thrive.

Let's Not Overlook This
As many elitist of global governance attempt to move the world toward a utopian Communitarian society, they continue to find new ways in which citizens should relate to nature. They seek to move us back to a more traditional way of living before industrialization - the true enemy of the environment. Wikipedia had this to say about utopian ideas:
"Particularly in the early 19th century, several utopian ideas arose, often in response to their belief that social disruption was created and caused by the development of commercialism and capitalism. These are often grouped in a greater "utopian socialist" movement, due to their shared characteristics: an egalitarian (equal) distribution of goods, frequently with the total abolition of money, and citizens only doing work which they enjoy and which is for the common good, leaving them with ample time for the cultivation of the arts and sciences." Wikipedia [4
Does it sound like the direction we're headed? As Communitarian concepts are slowly accepted by the population, we have been accepting old ideas that have been repackaged.

 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, 
and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

The UN's Interest in Parks - Connecting the Dots
It's not like they've been hiding it. Within the National Parks and Recreation website, the NRPA promote the fact that parks build community. The program called Parks Build Community says it:

" an ongoing national initiative demonstrating the transformative value of parks and recreation on the health and vitality of communities across America. The vision: to build and revitalize urban parks as thriving gathering places for youth, families and adults."
It seems totally innocent, until you begin looking into some of the promoters lurking in the shadows. Assuming that you already know that theUnited Nations is an organization of elite occultists, allow me to assist you in connecting some of the dots.

Using the phony crisis of climate change, proponents of sustainable living aim to govern our lives in ways that are consistent with sustainability. Wikipedia explains that this is to work in natural balance and respectful of humanity's "symbiotic relationship" with the Earth's natural ecology and cycles. The practice and general philosophy of ecological living is interrelated with the overall principles of sustainable development.[5

You will find that there is an U.N. initiative to transform abandoned urban spaces to housing small forests, leisure centers, or gardens that have been transformed into relaxation centers. It is a sustainable effort of the United Nations to create an UN-Habitat
The triangle within a circle goes back to ancient civilizations and used by the Elite occultists. 
The little man with his arms outstretched is the symbol for humanism.

Through this agency, attempts are being made to promote socially and environmentally sustainable towns and cities.[6] Their idea is that forests provide communities with climate-related benefits. They believe that active planning, management, and care of the urban forest/park can improve its resilience to climate change and help cities and communities better adapt.[7]

Their intention is to draw the population back to the cities. According to this Argentine website:
"In the millennium objectives fixed by the United Nations, cities are considered shelters that must provide safety to their inhabitants; Un-Habitat is the agency in charge of making sure cities transform through multi-factors which also focus on sustainability."
Working in conjunction with UN-Habitat, the World Urban Campaign (and their participating corporate partners) serve as the platform forHabitat III, the Third United Nations Conference on Housing and Sustainable Urban Development.
Its goal is to create change in the urban communities to achieve "green, productive, safe, healthy, inclusive, and well-planned cities." The administrator's office for the World Urban Campaign is based within UN-Habitat’s headquarters, in Nairobi, Kenya.
The UCLG is financed by the World Bank, several UN agencies, and City Alliance, which the U.S. is a member. Don't forget that the U.S. is the U.N.'s largest contributor.

Habitat III is a development plan to bring together cities, governments, civic society, the private sector, educational institutions and interest groups to review urban and housing affecting the future of cities within an international governance architecture. [8]

"The United States is quietly replacing the U.S. Constitution with Communitarian Law. Completely ignored by Western journalists, barely mentioned by political “experts,” and never once appearing openly on a ballot, a complicit, silent media (including the alternative media) ensures the deadly transformation of American jurisprudence is a great success! The only thing left to do now is mop up a few loose ends and eliminate any traces of opposition."  Niki Rapaana
We would all like to believe that our world is being guided by honorable men doing an honorable job. The truth of the matter is that this world is controlled by the "god of this world" who has God-fearing men in his cross-hairs. 

The utopian ideas that drive the elite social engineers are spiritually based and should not be underestimated. Their ideas, goals, and views encompass the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations of the cults and false religions are under Satan's control and have sprung from his lies and subtle deceptions. 
"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44
The government, corporations, colleges, and the national media propagate his lies. The corporate church has been heavily influenced by the same veiled deception, and most believers don't even realize it, think they have good ideas, or don't care 
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." 2 Cor. 11:13-15
This entire scheme is part of an ancient plan of the serpent attempting to claw his way to the top to be worshiped as God.  
"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:" Isaiah 14:13
World governance is the ultimate objective of sustainable development. 
The triquetra is an ancient Pagan symbol used by Luciferians, the
New Age Movement, and the Emergent Church. It represents interdependence/partnerships.

The 'god of this world' is using interdependence of partnerships for the purpose of the New World Order. This interdependence is man's dependency on man for man's agenda...leaving the God of the Bible out of the picture.

This is humanism, and it aspires to the greater good of humanity. The philosophy of humanism began with Satan, when he said in his heart, "...I will be like the most High." It was the philosophy which he used to trick Eve: "...And ye shall be as gods..." Humanists are identified by Paul as those "who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator..."

The environmentalists are serving the "god of this world" via the "brotherhood of man". Interdependence is being viewed as a solution to the world's problems. Though it has gained steam slowly, it is a system that will remove our national sovereignty, and eventually create a seat for asingle world leader. At no time does Scripture tell us to be dependent upon a world system, or to have unity with the unbelieving world.
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you..."         2 Cor. 6:16-17
While there is greater meaning behind providing city residents with a venue for participation in their communities, recognize that this will revolutionize the local community of the future. There is no stopping it.

 "And many shall follow their pernicious ways; 
by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." 2 Peter 2:2

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, 
We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29



From Manny Silva at:
"These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him. And now, little children, abide in Him; that, when He shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before Him at his coming." 1 John 2:26-28

The debate is over.  Ken Ham and Bill Nye the Science Guy.  For those who missed the debate about evolution, there will be a DVD of the entire debate available, and the debate is now online here (skip to the 13 min mark where it actually starts).  The online video has already had over 1.2 million views since last week.  I was perhaps most grateful to Ken Ham for the fact that several times in the debate, he was able to share the Gospel message, pointing to us what is most important. I was also thankful that folks like him and Dr. Purdom are faithfully defending God’s clear and unambiguous account in Genesis of how we were created.  My prayer is that God will use this event to move hearts and minds, bring people to the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ, help remove doubt and confusion in the minds of wavering Christians, and that He will rebuke those professing Christian leaders who are promoting this ungodly teaching.

I know, perhaps not many minds were not changed right away, and some minds may never change on this issue.  Yet, the biblical Christian knows that the theory of evolution is a farce.  Even a non-believer who looks at the evidence knows it is a farce.  It is unproven, it is full of holes, and many parts of it have been discredited over time, after many scientists were so sure about it.  Yet, the sad irony is that not only does Bill Nye reject the truth of the biblical account of creation, so do many pastors!  And this is one of the great dangers in our church today- pastors who deny the truth of Scripture, and you need to be warned about this.

It is very possible today that you could be under the leadership of a pastor who denies the historical accuracy and truthfulness of Genesis 1-11.  In fact, I would advise you to ask him what he does believe, if he has not made that clear yet.  If you believe what God has said in Scripture, and if you reject the godless theory of evolution, what does it say to you if you find out that your pastor accepts evolution?  Before and after the debate, I read various comments about Ken Ham at several “Christian” websites on the internet.  There is a certain disdain for Ken Ham, who has defended the biblical position and has written many articles exposing the godless teaching of evolution within the Nazarene denomination.

There is also a certain disdain for Nazarene pastors, and Christian pastors in general, who believe in the biblical account.  There is an elitist spirit about these critics of Bible believing Christians.  I saw this elitist spirit at General Assembly this year, as a pastor from New England, along with his friend, abruptly walked away from a conversation with me about evolution.  I was challenging them from a biblical perspective, and in the end, they would have none of that kind of talk in the conversation.  They wanted compromise, and they wanted me to accept the evolution position as a viable position.

As we have posted before, if you believe in evolution, then you have to reject several things taught in Scripture.

To a theistic evolutionist, he/she must believe that:

-Adam and Eve were not real historical figures as described in Genesis;
-Jesus was not truthful when he talked about Adam and Eve in a historical context;
-You reject God’s account in Genesis that He created everything in six days;
-You reject the ​truthfulness of the​ genealogical account of the Lord in the book of Luke, which includes Adam;
-The account of the first 11 chapters of Genesis is only allegory;
-You accept that death came into the world many years before any Adam and Eve, contradicting Romans 5:12 and its explanation of how sin and death came into the world;
-You pick and choose what you want to believe, instead of accepting God’s historical account at face value;
-You choose to use your own intellect and human reasoning and philosophy to validate the Bible, instead of letting the Bible validate itself;
-You reject the inerrancy and reliability of Scripture as the sole and final written authority for our faith and practice, and instead accept that the Bible has errors and is written deceptively.

Those pastors who are promoting the godless theory of evolution must be confronted.   If not, they will continue deceiving countless Christians without opposition.  They will sow the seeds of doubt in their minds, and soon, the floodgates will open for some, who will start doubting other parts of Scripture.  These pastors are the “corrupt shepherds” that were so aptly described by Walter Martin.  Some of them are the open theists as well, who believe that God cannot know all of the future.  They have swallowed hook line and sinker the religion of man, but the fact that they have been fooled cannot excuse them, because now they are teaching others about their godless ideas.

If you believe in evolution, then perhaps it is of no concern to you that your pastor might also.  But if you reject this godless idea, then isn’t it only fair to know where your pastor stands on this?  Go ahead, ask him, and politely ask for a straight answer on this issue. Is it because you know more than your pastor, that you can challenge him?  No.  He has his theology degrees, but you have something better.  You have the word of God, and that is all you need to confront him with.

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From David Cloud of Way of Life;

Debate of the Century

February 12, 2014 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143,;) 

My wife and I watched the February 4 Ken Ham/Bill Nye debate a few days after the February 4 event, and we thought that Mr. Ham did a good job. He was well informed, candid, gracious, stayed on target, and answered all of his opponent’s challenges as far as time allowed. He didn’t back down or apologize for his stance on the Bible as the infallible Word of God and Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

I have four observations about this debate:
It was a very important debate.
It was a debate that was won hands down by the creationist.
It was a lopsided debate that didn’t go far enough.
It was a debate that exhibited the ignorance of the evolutionist.
It was a debate that dealt with the most fundamental questions of life.

I say that this is the debate of the century because of its august subject, its high visibility, and the general unwillingness of evolutionists to go toe to toe with creationists.

In fact, I believe that this debate was the most public defense of the Bible in my lifetime.

The issues at stake are the most fundamental ones conceivable: 
the issue of the origin of life (with blind, non-directed “naturalistic processes” on one side and the Creator God of Scripture on the other), the issue of the purpose of life (with ultimate meaninglessness on one side and the glory of God on the other), and the issue of authority (with man on one side and God and the Bible on the other).

These subjects have been debated many times, but the visibility of this particular debate was unprecedented. Answers in Genesis has estimated that a minimum of 5 million people in 190 countries watched the debate live. The number who will continue to watch it in whole or in part and who will read reviews of it and discuss it with others will be incalculable. The debate was discussed on practically every major news outlet in the United States and in many international forums, and in many cases, interestingly, the reporting was balanced.

This debate has spread phenomenally because of the global technology of our times.
There have been many excellent debates between creationists and evolutionists since Darwin’s day. Hundreds of debates were held on university campuses and elsewhere in the 1970s and 1980s between highly educated men on both sides of the issue. I attended one in about 1974 at a university in Florida when Henry Morris and Duane Gish took on a couple of evolutionary professors. Dr. Gish was a great debater.

That was until the evolutionists started hiding behind the smokescreen of “let’s not give creationists legitimacy by debating them.” Actually, evolutionists had discovered that they can’t go head to head on the facts alone. They have to flee for refuge in their secular religion and its presuppositions.

Thus the debate on February 4 at the Creation Museum could very well be the only debate of its kind in the 21st century or until Jesus comes.

(The John Lennox/Richard Dawkins debate in Alabama in 2008, while interesting, was not of the same substance. Dr. Lennox doesn’t believe the Bible’s teaching on origins, so the debate was actually between a secular evolutionist and a theistic evolutionist. In that context, the issue of authority is muddled. Further, the Lennon/Dawkins debate didn’t have anything like the worldwide attention of the Ham/Nye debate.)

By means of the Ham/Nye debate, the merciful God who would have all men to be saved, gave a vast number of people an opportunity to hear a reasoned defense of His Word. Considering the signs of the times and the obvious lateness of the prophetic hour and the imminent return of Christ, this debate was a very significant event.

I believe that a defense of the faith is important and necessary. The Bible purports to be an historical book. It purports to be a book that gives God’s revelation about all of life, including creation. It’s not a science book, but it touches on science in many places and in many ways. The truth of the Bible’s theology stands or falls on its historical and “scientific” accuracy.

The Gospel of Luke was written specifically to give EVIDENCE for faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. 
“Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, THAT THOU MIGHTEST KNOW THE CERTAINTY OF THOSE THINGS, WHEREIN THOU HAST BEEN INSTRUCTED” (Luke 1:1-4).

Elsewhere, Luke said that the evidence for Jesus’ resurrection, an historical event, is “infallible” (Acts 1:3).

Biblical faith is not blind religious faith. It is faith in the words of a God who cannot lie and who has demonstrated the infallibility of His words in countless ways. It is an objective faith that is testable by evidence that would stand up in an honest court of law (which are few and far between in this present world).

Apologetics is important to prepare people to listen to the gospel. That is what happened to the first friend God gave me after I was saved in 1973. Richard Tedder had grown up in a skeptical, non-church environment and was educated at a secular university. He assumed that evolution is true. It was after he read a booklet exposing some of the scientific errors of evolution that he began to rethink his philosophy of life. He decided to read the Bible, and there he found truth and salvation. He told me, “The first thing that impressed me about the Bible was that its statements have the ring of truth. Its teaching fits what I can observe in the world.” The exposure of evolution was a step in his conversion.

Dr. Jobe Martin, who was once an evolutionist, became a creationist after some of his students challenged him to study the design of nature.

Arguments against evolution are effective for those who are willing to listen (and nothing can help those who aren’t willing to listen).

I believe, though, that the first use of apologetics is not to convince the unbeliever but to protect believers. When we are grounded in the vast evidence undergirding our faith, we are not confused when we hear arguments by evolutionists, atheists, new agers, and cultists, either in person, in print, on the radio or television or Internet. When we visit natural history museums we can see through the error of the displays. When we listen to debates, we can properly weigh the statements.

Churches must prepare their people to face the onslaught of end-time skepticism and apostasy. Many have become confused and have even lost their faith in God’s Word after being confronted with theological modernism, atheism, and evolution.

The experience of Edward O. Wilson is all too typical. He is a prominent evolutionist, a professor in Entomology at Harvard University, a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, and a Humanist Laureate of the International Academy of Humanism. He grew up in Alabama in the “Bible Belt” and joined a Southern Baptist congregation at age 15 with “great fervor and interest in the fundamentalist religion.” But he “lost his faith” at age 17 when he “got to the University of Alabama and heard about evolutionary theory” (Wilson, 
The Humanist, September/October 1982, p. 40).

ABC World News report in 2010 focused on two Southern Baptist ministers who are agnostics. They “lost their faith” when confronted by the writings of the “new atheists” such as Richard Dawkins. The minister identified as Adam said, “I realized that everything I’d been taught to believe was sort of sheltered, and never really looked at secular teaching or other philosophies ... I thought, ‘Oh my... Am I believing the wrong things? Have I spent my entire life and my career promoting something that is not true?’” (“Atheist Ministers Struggle with Leading the Faithful,” ABC World News, Nov. 9, 2010).

This type of thing happens because, first, churches are often careless about trying to make sure that young people are genuinely born again as opposed to just going through the motions of “believing” and “praying a prayer” and “receiving Jesus.”

Then, too, young people are being coddled and entertained with a Christianized version of the world, but they are not being seriously discipled.

The average Baptist church, whether Southern, Independent, or whatever, is simply not preparing young people to face the skepticism of the hour.

(Seeing this need and being deeply concerned about the next generation, including my own grandchildren, compelled me to publish the following serious discipleship materials during the last three years: 
Keeping the Kids: How to Keep the Children from Falling Prey to the WorldThe One Year Discipleship Course, and An Unshakeable Faith: A Christian Apologetics Course. I will give you your money back if these materials do not help your home and church, assuming that you actually use them.)
The debate was won hands down by the creationist Ken Ham, because he devastated Bill Nye’s fundamental premise that creationism is a hindrance to science.

It was this premise that led to the debate in the first place. In August 2012, Nye stated in a video that creationism is dangerous to science and should not be taught to children. He believes that creationism harms America’s scientific viability.

Nye is a demagogue, a brazen promoter of censorship, both in schools and in homes. He doesn’t want to allow creationism or even “intelligent design” principles to be taught. He doesn’t want the fundamental elements of evolution to be challenged. He would not grant anyone with Ken Ham’s beliefs the liberty to state his or her views in a government school. In fact, if he had his way the teaching of creationism would apparently not be allowed in private homes since he has made blanket statements that it should not be taught to children.

Mr. Ham refuted Nye’s fundamental premise in his opening five-minute statement. He showed that many Ph.D. scientists are creationists and that their worldview has in no wise hindered their scientific research. He showed actual video statements from some of these men, including the following:

Stuart Burgess, Ph.D., professor of engineering at Bristol University, who received the Turners Gold Medal for the design of the solar array deployment mechanism on the $2.5 billion ENVISAT satellite and has designed parts for NASA spacecraft. He has published over 130 scientific papers on the science of design, engineering, and biological systems. Dr. Burgess said on a video clip: “From my research work I have found that scientific evidence fully supports creationism as the best explanation to origins.”

Danny Faulkner, Ph.D., astronomy, Indiana University and Distinguished Professor Emeritus at the University of South Carolina. Dr. Faulkner said,
 “There is nothing in observational astronomy that contradicts a recent creation.”

Dr. Raymond Damadian, biophysicist and inventor of the MRI. Dr. Damadian’s original MRI was on display at the Smithsonian for many years. Dr. Damadian said: “The idea that scientists who believe that the earth is 6,000 years old cannot do real science is simply wrong.”

Mr. Ham also dynamited Nye’s premise by pointing out that modern science was founded by creationists. These include the following (from Dr. Jonathan Sarfati’s
Refuting Evolution) --Physics -- Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin, Joule
Chemistry - Boyle, Dalton, Ramsay
Biology - Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur, Virchow, Agassiz
Geology - Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Buckland, Cuvier
Astronomy - Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Herschel, Maunder
Mathematics - Pascal, Leibniz, Euler

Mr. Ham further devastated Nye’s premise by pointing out that evolutionary scientists do their science by borrowing from the creationist worldview. They believe in and trust the laws of the universe and the laws of logic, which are premises that are based on a creationist viewpoint or a designed universe. If blind evolution were true, there would be no fundamental, established, unchanging laws.

Bill Nye made no attempt to refute the aforementioned facts that devastate his position, and he did not provide one example of how that creationism hinders science.

Mr. Nye dealt with a wide variety of red herrings, such as whether Noah could build an ark to withstand the flood.

The bottom line is that Mr. Ham hands down disproved Nye’s premise about creationism harming science.
The debate focused on creationism and its scientific credibility. As a result, creationism was on the defensive. In terms of fairness and completeness it should also have focused on evolution’s scientific credibility by requiring Nye to answer questions such as the following:

How did everything come from nothing?
How did the matter for the Big Bang evolve?
How did order spring from disorder?
How did the fundamental laws of nature arise from chaos?
Why is the atom stable?
How did life spring from non-life?
How did intelligence arise from non-intelligence?
How did ATP (Adenosine TriPhosphate) evolve?
What scientific evidence is there that mutations can produce complex organs and creatures?
What scientific evidence is there that natural selection can produce complex organs and creatures?
How did mutations and natural selection produce a butterfly?
Why do all breeding experiments demonstrate that kinds of creatures are stable and that the barriers that divide them cannot be breached?
Why are there not a multitude of clear examples of transitional organs and creatures in the fossil record rather than a handful of questionable ones?
Why do the supposed oldest creatures (such as trilobites) demonstrate bewildering complexity?
How did the male-female reproductive system evolve?
How did plants exist over the millions of years that it allegedly took for the incredibly complex process of photosynthesis to evolve?
How can you be sure scientifically that all of the various “homo” categories (e.g., 
Homo erectusHomo ergaster) are not all merely Homo sapiens and that the variousaustralopithecines (e.g., africanusafarensis) are not simply various types of apes with no evolutionary significance?
Why did evolution cease so that today we see a world system filled with stable, perfectly “adapted” species that have every appearance of intelligent design?

Doubtless, the Ph.D.s associated with AiG could have come up with other questions from their various fields of expertise, such as Dr. Snelling and Dr. Mortenson in geology, Dr. Purdom on molecular genetics, Dr. Lisle in astronomy, and Dr. Menton in biology.

In his answers, Nye would not be allowed to use unproven presuppositions, assumptions, and just-so stories. He says that science is everything, so his answers must be authentically scientific.

Bill Nye the Science Guy came across to my wife and me as arrogant, artful, closed-minded, and ill-informed.

Nye presented himself as a man who seeks truth with joy and eagerly follows wherever the evidence leads, but he is ignorant of many of the very things that are necessary to make him a knowledgeable man pertaining to issues of ultimate truth.

He claims that creationism is dangerous to science, but it was obvious that his examination of the creationist position has been perfunctory.

He is ignorant, first of all, of the Bible and of Jesus Christ. It was apparent in the debate that he has not read the Bible. He doesn’t know its content and history, nor does he know the rules of biblical interpretation, the principles of biblical apologetics, and such things as ancient history touching the Bible and biblical archaeology. It does not appear that he has carefully examined the vast evidence that Jesus Christ is the Son of God that He claimed to be, evidence that has convinced many brilliant men and women, including scientists.

He is ignorant, second, of the wealth of material written by highly educated creationists in defense of the biblical worldview. To mention a few:

Andrew Snelling, Ph.D. geology - 
Earth’s Catastrophic Past, a two-volume, 1100-page work
Walt Brown, Ph.D. mechanical engineering, MIT - 
In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
Stuart Burgess, Ph.D. biomimetics and engineering design - 
Hallmarks of DesignLowell Coker, Ph.D. microbiology and biochemistry - Darwin’s Design DilemmaDon DeYoung, Ph.D. physics - Thousands ... Not BillionsJonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. physical chemistry - By Design

If we could sit Bill Nye down and give him a test on the previous things, how would he fare?

Mr. Nye cannot rightly call himself a lover of truth when he dismisses and mocks the creationist position without adequate research.

On the other hand, Ken Ham has studied the Bible diligently but he has also studied evolution and was accredited in Australia as a science teacher, so that he is knowledgeable of his own position as well as that of his debating partner.

Mr. Nye was debating (and ridiculing) something he is largely ignorant of and can’t therefore understand properly. It reminds us of the warning in Proverbs 18:13, “He that answereth a matter before he heareth 
it, it is folly and shame unto him.”

One question that was asked of Ham toward the end of the debate was this: “What would be necessary to change your mind about the Bible and evolution?” The implication is that Bible believers are closed-minded as opposed to evolutionists.

In his answer, Mr. Ham focused on the fact that the past cannot be absolutely proven with scientific tools of the present.

If I were asked this question, I would say that 
truth and evidence would convince me to change my mind about the Bible and to accept evolution, and I have looked at all sides of the issue for many decades. In fact, I have been on both sides of the issue. In 1973, I was not a Bible believer. I was a brash rejecter of the Christ of Scripture who loved to argue against the Bible. The last thing I wanted to be at that time was any type of Christian. It was truth that convinced me that the Bible is true and that such things as evolution and non-Christian religions are wrong. Over the past 40 years, the more I have studied the Bible and the more I have examined skeptical challenges, the more I have been convinced that the Bible is divinely inspired and infallible. And the more I have studied evolution--and I’ve studied it intently by way of building and using a large personal library of material and visiting most of the prominent natural history museums in America, England, Europe, and Australia--the more I am convinced that naturalistic evolution is what Dr. Raymond Damadian calls it -- science fiction.

Many of the Ph.D. scientists who are listed in our free eBook 
The Testimonies of Scientists Who Believe the Bible were formerly evolutionists, atheists, and agnostics. It was evidentiary truth that convinced them to reject evolution and to believe the Bible. These are not people who follow fairy tales.

Unlike Bill Nye, these men and women have carefully examined ALL sides of these issues.

In spite of his huffing and puffing, Bill Nye the Science Guy sadly exposed himself in this debate as Bill Nye the Ignorant Guy.
The debate was a rare opportunity for people today to see the two fundamentally different world views defended head to head.

On one hand, we have the Bible-believer with his view that the world was created by a personal, holy, and compassionate God, that man was made in God’s image and fell into sin by breaking God’s laws, and that man can be redeemed to eternal life through Jesus Christ.

On the other hand, we have the “agnostic” evolutionist with his world view of 
nothing. The universe came from nothing, has no purpose, and is going to nothing.

The heart of the debate was the gospel of Jesus Christ vs. the gospel of nothing.

At the end of the day, if naturalistic evolution is true nothing matters. There is zero ultimate purpose. Man is simply a collection of meaningless particles. When he dies, he dies. If the earth warms up and dies, it means nothing. If animals are made extinct, it means nothing. If the rich rule the earth and the poor starve, it means nothing. If the universe freezes or collapses back into the chaos from which it allegedly arose, it ultimately means nothing.

But if the Bible is the Word of God as it claims to be and Jesus Christ is the Son of God that He professed to be, everything matters. It means that there is a Creator to whom every man is accountable and before whom every man will stand. It means death is not the end. It means that man is fallen and under divine condemnation. It means that salvation was purchased by the compassionate God Himself by Christ’s death on the cross and that forgiveness of sin and eternal life are offered to men as a free gift of God’s grace. It means that there is a heaven and a hell.

I put my faith in Jesus Christ at age 23. That was 41 years ago. I have never regretted it for a moment. I lived a sensual, lawless life to the fullest prior to my conversion, and I have never hankered for the “old life.”

On my most recent trip to Israel, our Jewish guide rather mockingly said that I am missing a lot by living according to biblical moral “restrictions.” That was a statement of ignorance. I have lived without moral restrictions, and I have lived with them, and I have found by experience that living with them is the way of true liberty. That guide’s smoking and drinking and cursing and womanizing and over-preening arrogance has not made him free. It is because of my “biblical lifestyle” that I am alive and in good health at 64 (in contrast to some of my high school buddies who are dead because of their sensual lifestyles), am married to the “wife of my youth,” have grown children with good marriages who are raising our grandchildren in stable happy homes, and a thousand other things I could mention.

If naturalistic evolution is true and I am wrong about the Bible, I haven’t missed anything. It would only mean that I have a superior lifestyle in this present world, and when I die I die.

But if the Bible is true, the naturalistic evolutionist cannot say that it won’t matter to him, both in this life and in eternity.

It does matter what one believes.
“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:28-30).

“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I 
am God, and there isnone else” Isaiah 45:22).

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

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