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Wednesday, July 8, 2015

OREGON DECLARES WAR ON THE CHRISTIAN FAITH~CHRISTIAN BAKERS ISSUED GAG ORDER TO "CEASE & DESIST" FROM TALKING ABOUT THEIR FAITH BY BUREAU OF LABOR~COMMISSIONER'S TIES TO GAY RIGHTS & ABORTION GROUPS



    


          
GET READY FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE & BIBLICAL OBEDIENCE
Christian Bakers Who Declined to Make Cake for ‘Gay Wedding’ Ordered to Pay 

$135,000 to Lesbians

BY HEATHER CLARK
SEE: http://christiannews.net/2015/07/03/christian-bakers-who-declined-to-make-cake-for-gay-wedding-ordered-to-pay-135000-to-lesbians/republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:

GRESHAM, Ore. — The owners of a Christian bakery in Oregon have officially been ordered to pay $135,000 in damages to two lesbians who claimed that they suffered emotionally after they were told that the bakery could not make a cake for their ceremony because of their convictions not to participate in others’ sins.
As previously reported, Aaron and Melissa Klein operate Sweet Cakes by Melissa in Gresham, which is now operated from the couple’s home after the Kleins’ shut their doors due to harassment. In January 2013, Aaron was approached by a mother and her daughter as the two were interested in a cake for the daughter’s upcoming wedding—to her lesbian partner.
“My first question was what’s the wedding date,” Klein told television station KTW in Portland. “My next question was [the] bride and groom’s name. … The girl giggled a little bit and said, ‘It’s two brides.’”
He then informed the women that the bakery does not make cakes for homosexual events.
“I apologized for wasting their time and said that, unfortunately, we do not do same-sex marriages,” Klein explained.
The women left Sweet Cakes upset about the incident, and later, one of them filed a complaint with the state. The Oregon attorney general’s office soon launched an investigation against the Klein’s as the state’s non-discrimination laws prevent public accommodations from being denied to any individual on the basis of “race, color, religion, sex [or] sexual orientation.”
But Klein states that he regularly serves homosexuals. He believes that there is a difference between serving homosexuals in general and having to personally facilitate same-sex ceremonies, which is an act of participation.
“I have customers come in almost on a weekly basis that are homosexual,” he said. “They can buy my stuff. I sell stuff. I talk with them. That’s fine. … This was not the first time we’ve served these girls.”
“We were being asked to participate in something that we could not participate in,” Klein’s wife, Melissa, noted.
Some Christians believe that being a part of a same-sex event violates the biblical command in 1 Timothy 5:22 not to be “partakers in other men’s sins,” as well as the command in Ephesians 5:7, “Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
In February, a judge with the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries ruled that the Christian bakers are guilty of discrimination for declining to make the cake, thus moving the matter into the sentencing phase. The Kleins had expressed concern prior to the ruling that if they were forced to pay a fine for declining the cake over their Christian convictions, the penalty would “definitely” bankrupt the family.
In April, Alan McCullough, an administrative judge with the bureau, recommended a fine of $135,000, with one of the women receiving $75,000 and the other $60,000. Prosecutors had sought damages of $75,000 each.
The two women, who have been identified as Rachel Cryer and Laurel Bowman, submitted individual lists of just under 100 aspects of suffering in order to receive the damages. They included “acute loss of confidence,” “doubt,” “distrust of men,” “distrust of former friends,” “excessive sleep,” “discomfort,” “high blood pressure,” “impaired digestion,” “loss of appetite,” “migraine headaches,” “loss of pride,” “mental rape,” “resumption of smoking habit,” “shock” “stunned,” “surprise,” “uncertainty,” “weight gain” and “worry.”
But the Kleins told the court that they too had suffered because of the attacks that they received over their desire to live out their Christian faith in the workplace. They stated that they endured “mafia tactics” as their car was vandalized and broken into on two occasions, their vendors were harassed by homosexual advocates resulting in some businesses breaking ties with them, and they received threatening emails wishing rape, death and Hell upon the family. As a result, they had to close their business and move it into their private home.
This week, the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries accepted McCollough’s recommendation and fined the Kleins $135,000.
“This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage,” the final order, written by Commissioner Brad Avakian, read. “It is about a business’s refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal.”
The Kleins told commentator Todd Starnes that they are disappointed by the order and plan to appeal.
“We were just running our business the best we could—following the Lord’s example,” Melissa Kelin stated. “I’m just blown away by the ruling. They are punishing us for not participating in the wedding.”
Aaron Klein vowed to fight Avakian in court.
“This man has no power over me,” he said. “He seems to think he can tell me to be quiet. That doesn’t sit well with me and I refuse to comply.”
Sweet Cakes by Melissa had served Cryer and Bowman for all other orders at their bakery, and even considered the women to be their friends.

COURT DENIES THEM RIGHT TO TALK OPENLY ABOUT THE JUDGMENT:
Published on Jul 6, 2015
You’d think being found liable for “mental rape” for declining to cater a gay wedding and being fined $135,000 would be enough undue punishment

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PART 2:


State Agency Directory
Commissioner's Office
Labor And Industries, Bureau Of
800 NE Oregon St. Suite 1045
Portland, OR  97232    Envelope
Fax: (971) 673-0762
TTY: (711) -
Web site: www.oregon.gov/boli/

Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian (971) 673-0781 
Deputy Labor Commissioner Christie Hammond (971) 673-0785 
Executive Assistant to the Commissioner Jesse Bontecou (971) 673-0781 
Legal Policy Advisor Marcia Ohlemiller (971) 673-0784 
Legislative Director Paloma Sparks (971) 673-0841 
Communications Director Charlie Burr (971) 673-0788 
BOLI Reception (971) 673-0866 


State Silences Bakers Who Refused to Make Cake for Lesbian Couple ...
AARON & MELISSA KLEIN
THE LESBIANS: Rachel Bowman-Cryer (right) and her wife Laurel (left)
Rachel Bowman-Cryer (right) and her wife Laurel (left) file a civil rights lawsuit and said that they had suffered emotional distress because of the case after they received death threats
122 PAGE OREGON BUREAU OF LABOR 
ORDER IN FULL: 
After a Christian couple said they refused to bake a gay wedding cake because they have “faith in the Lord,” an Oregon state agency ordered them to “cease and desist” talking about their faith.
SEE: 
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/06/sorry-slate-oregon-did-put-a-gag-order-on-those-christian-bakers/
AND:
http://www.infowars.com/gay-marriage-state-agency-orders-christians-to-stop-talking-about-their-faith/
EXCERPT:
Claiming the Kleins violated Oregon’s anti-discriminatory laws, Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI) Commissioner Brad Avakian ordered them to “cease and desist” discussing their Christian beliefs because they made the following statements on the Christian Broadcasting Network:
  1. Aaron Klein: “I didn’t want to be a part of her marriage, which I think is wrong.”
  2. Melissa Klein: “I am who I am and I want to live my life the way I want to live my life and, you know, I choose to serve God.”
  3. Aaron Klein: “It’s one of those things where you never want to see something you’ve put so much work into go belly up, but on the other hand, I have faith in the Lord and he’s taken care of us up to this point and I’m sure he will in the future.”
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Oregon Declares War on the Christian Faith

BY MICHAEL BROWN
SEE: http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/50409-oregon-declares-war-on-the-christian-faithrepublished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:

In one of the most egregious anti-Christian acts committed by a state official in recent memory, Oregon Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian not only upheld the ridiculous $135,000 fine levied against Aaron and Melissa Klein for declining to bake a cake for a lesbian commitment ceremony, but he ordered the Kleins to "cease and desist" from making any public comments about their religious convictions relative to this case.
This is an outrage and a travesty, and it must be rebuked and resisted. Who does Mr. Avakian think he is?
The fine itself is unconscionable, as the amount of $135,000 was determined by tallying up the alleged emotional damages experienced by the lesbian couple, who as Thomas D. Williams noted, "accused the Kleins of 'mental rape,' adding that they had suffered a 'loss of appetite' and 'impaired digestion,' which remarkably led to 'weight gain.'"
If anyone here was "raped," it was the Kleins (by the government) not this couple (by the Kleins).
The list of 178 (!) purported damages compiled by the two lesbians includes the following (this is not a spoof; the list is real): "concern for privacy at home; concern for safety at home; dislike of going to work; distrust of former friends; distrust of men; fear of not being able to get another job; fear of being alone; felt mentally raped, dirty and shameful; future job opportunities damaged; hysteria; inability to find work; irritability with family and friends; loss of opportunity for bonding with infant; migraine headaches; nightmares; not wanting husband (?) to touch her; pale and sick at home after work" – just to name a few.
The proper response of the court (and Mr. Avakian) should have been, "Are you kidding me? All this because a Christian couple declined your business on religious grounds at a time when same-sex 'marriage' wasn't even legal here?"
As Laurie Higgins observed, "This wowzer list of ailments purportedly resulted from not being able to purchase a wedding cake from one bakery. How, pray tell, do these two function in a diverse world?"
I don't doubt that the women felt hurt, but they are either completely exaggerating what they experienced or they have quite a few other, deep emotional problems that need to be addressed that are no fault of the Kleins. On either score, any fair court would have recognized the absurdity of the list.
Yet in the increasingly anti-Christian, pro-homosexualist world in which we live, the Kleins were found guilty of being true to their faith and punished severely for it.
Perhaps the Kleins can countersue the government of Oregon for 10 trillion dollars based on the emotional damages they have experienced, not to mention the loss of their very livelihood due to the attack that has come against them? If the lesbian couple deserved $135,000, then the Kleins deserve at least 10 trillion.
Seriously, though, did these women really not know that plenty of Christians do not support gay "marriage" and cannot in good conscience participate in it? Were they suddenly so traumatized by something they have known to be true all their lives?
But not only was the fine completely out of line, Avakian's reasoning was just as faulty, as he claimed that, "This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage. It is about a business's refusal to serve someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal."
This is patently false, since the Kleins had never once refused to serve homosexuals. They simply refused to participate in a gay "wedding" ceremony by providing the cake.
But why play by the rules when it's open season on Christians and their faith?
Avakian, however, was not done. As Williams explains, "The Oregon official imposed a gag order on the couple, mandating that they 'cease and desist' from speaking publicly about not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."
To ask once again, who does Mr. Avakian think he is?
Thankfully, the Kleins have not backed down, as Aaron said in an interview following the verdict: "He wants to silence anyone who opposes his point of view. Unfortunately, he's doing this with the wrong Christian, because I fight back."
This is yet another example of gay activist overreach (either by gay activists themselves or by their straight allies), and it must be confronted in the strongest of terms.
To state things, then, plainly and directly: Mr. Avakian and the State of Oregon, your bullying will backfire. You are on the wrong side of justice, and your attempts to steal our freedoms of religion and speech will be to your lasting shame.
I sincerely pray that you will humble yourself and recognize the error of your ways.
I'm sure the Kleins would like nothing more than to forgive you to your face and give you a great big hug. Not only are Christians moral people, they are forgiving people.
But please do not associate forgiveness with weakness. We are quite committed to stand for what is right.
As Aaron stated clearly, "For years, we've heard same-sex marriage will not affect anybody. I'm here firsthand to tell everyone in America that it has already impacted people. Christians, get ready to take a stand. Get ready for civil disobedience."
That time has come.
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"KLEINS WERE RAPED, NOT THE LESBIANS"
Dr. Brown Exposes the Absurdity

of Oregon’s Anti-Christian Ruling
LESBIAN COUPLE COMPILED LIST OF 178 ISSUES, COMPLAINTS & ALLEGED DAMAGES


The Fred Brauer Report, 7/3/15 KLEINS DENIED
FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT!

"FIGHTING FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE" (BY CONFISCATING FROM THE "RICH")
"Brad Avakian:
I Embrace Occupy Wall Street"
Uploaded on Oct 25, 2011 ON 
AvakianForCongress's YOUTUBE channel  
"Oregon congressional candidate Brad Avakian has been an outspoken supporter of the Occupy movement. He attended the first day of protest at Occupy Portland and has participated in subsequent demonstrations. He is running for Congress to stand up for working people and take on the rich and powerful that have dominated our political system for too long."

BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL SOCIALIST SUPPORTS "OCCUPY WALL STREET" AND BEMOANS INCOME DISPARITIES (ALSO KNOWN AS SUPPORTING INCOME CONFISCATION & REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH):

SUPPORTER OF SOCIALIST RADICALS PROTESTING FOR DAMAGE TO ECONOMY CAUSED BY LIBERAL SOCIALISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE
SHOWS UP AT OCCUPY PROTEST:
SUPPORTER OF ABORTION RIGHTS:
SEE: http://www.bradavakian.com/starr-letter/republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:

"Sign Brad Avakian's letter to Senator Bruce Starr"

"Join me in calling on Senator Starr to disavow the extremist position his Republican Party took at their national convention: Sign my letter and let him know you’re opposed to dangerous policies that threaten Oregon women.
Dear Senator Starr:
I’m writing to ask that you join me in protecting the health of Oregon’s women. As you know, the official Republican National Platform adopted last week calls for an absolute ban on abortion, with no exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or where the life of the mother is threatened.
I hope you’ll agree with me that this policy presents a serious threat to the health of Oregon’s women and is an unacceptable infringement on personal medical decisions that must be left to a woman, her family, and her faith, with the counsel of her doctor or health care provider.
As the chief elected official protecting Oregonians’ civil rights, I believe in respecting the real-life decisions that women and their families face every day. And I believe strongly that all elected officials – regardless of party affiliation – must speak up when women’s health is threatened.
I hope you’ll respond to this letter promptly and join me in rejecting this dangerous proposal.
Because while we’re certain to have a spirited debate in the next two months over our differing visions for the future of Oregon’s workforce, I hope we can both agree on one thing: Politicians should not be involved in a woman’s personal medical decisions about her pregnancy."
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SUPPORTER OF GAY RIGHTS:
SEE: http://www.bradavakian.com/2013/04/03/what-marriage-equality-looks/republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:
by Brad Avakian.
"Lt. Col. Linda Campbell (ret.) is such an inspiration.
Continuing my strong partnership with Senator Jeff Merkley, I was able to convince the Department of Veterans Affairs to let Linda and her late wife Nancy be the first LGBT couple authorized to be buried together in a national cemetery.
Here's what Linda said on the steps of the Supreme Court last week, during the debate on marriage equality, about the love she and Nancy shared:
We shared hopes and dreams and health care struggles. We were there for each other in sickness and in health. We tried very, very hard to grow old together. We were together for 17 years, until death did us part.
We had the kind of marriage that most people dream of. Young people, old people, gay people, straight people. Nancy and I felt the joy of marriage. We had the love and commitment of marriage. But we could only yearn to have our marriage respected by the laws of our land.
Nancy would be so proud and so happy to be with us today as we stand on the cusp of marriage equality.
Watch our video of Linda Campbell on the steps of the Supreme Court - like it, and share it, so everyone can see what marriage equality really looks like."
Thanks,
Brad Avakian
Posted on April 3, 2013.
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SEE ALSO: 
EXCERPT:
As Oregon's chief civil rights enforcer, Avakian dug into the federal law -- and found an exception.
Under the heading "Persons eligible for interment in national cemeteries," Section 6 notes, burial could be allowed for "such other persons or classes of persons as may be designated by the Secretary."
Avakian also recruited Senator Merkley to the cause. After all, the two of them had worked closely together in the Oregon Legislature on domestic partnerships and the Oregon Equality Act of 2007, prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation.
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WHO SUPPORTS BRAD (IN HIS OWN WORDS):
EXCERPTS:
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AVAKIAN AND "BASIC RIGHTS OREGON"; 
A "COALITION PARTNER"

A WORKING TEAM TO PERSECUTE:
SEE:
EXCERPT: "Questions of bias are emerging over communications between the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries and Basic Rights Oregon, a gay rights group, according to the Daily Signal, a conservative news site run by the Heritage Foundation, which reports that the two appeared to be “working closely.”
Records indicate the officials with the government body were “participating in phone calls, texting, and attending meetings with Basic Rights Oregon,” including claims that commissioner Brad Avakian met multiple times with the group — developments that Heritage Foundation senior legal fellow Hans von Spakovsky called a blatant conflict of interest."
EXCERPT: 
"And, lots of money changed hands back and forth between Avakian and the radical pro-homosexual rights group as The Daily Signal tells it:
Emails also show Avakian purchasing tickets costing hundreds of dollars to attend Basic Rights Oregon’s annual fundraising galas and gay pride parades, while his agency’s case against the Kleins was underway.
In 2012, Basic Rights Oregon donated almost $8,000 to Avakian’s bid for commissioner.
So, here is a civil rights commissioner, considering a ruling against Christian bakers who took a stand for their faith, who was both giving and receiving large amounts of money from an advocacy group seeking to punish the bakers.  Talk about “paying off” the judge in advance of the trial!
But, it goes even deeper.  Guess who it was who appointed the administrative law judge who initially ruled against the Kleins and ordered them to pay the $135,000 fine?  The Daily Signal has the answer:
Avakian is a hugely important figure in the Kleins’ case—he will determine the fine amount the Kleins ultimately pay.
This April, Administrative Law Judge Alan McCullough, who was appointed to his position by Avakian and is also employed by the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries, issued a “proposed order” for the case against Sweet Cakes by Melissa.
McCullough recommended the Kleins pay $135,000 to Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer, saying the Kleins imposed mental, physical and emotional damages upon the lesbian couple by refusing to serve them.
Now, Avakian must issue a final ruling on the case, and in doing so, he “can adopt all or any part” of McCullough’s proposed order."
SEE: http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/01/emails-raise-questions-of-bias-in-case-against-bakers-who-denied-service-for-same-sex-wedding/ ;
EXCERPTS: 
According to emails, Avakian met with Basic Rights Oregon on multiple occasions.
One of those meetings was planned for May 1, 2014, shortly before a federal court struck down Oregon’s Defense of Marriage Act.
Another meeting between the commissioner and Basic Rights Oregon occurred on or around August 5, 2014. This fell between the time a judge denied the Kleins’ first attempt to disqualify the commissioner for bias and shortly before a hearing for the case was scheduled to begin.
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On or around Oct. 7, 2014, Avakian accepted a phone call from Jeana Frazzini, co-director of Basic Rights Oregon, according to another email.
On Dec. 2, 2014, a Basic Rights Oregon employee wrote of Avakian, “His voice is really important as a coalition partner, and a leader in Oregon politics.”
Emails also show Avakian purchasing tickets costing hundreds of dollars to attend Basic Rights Oregon’s annual fundraising galas and gay pride parades, while his agency’s case against the Kleins was underway.
In 2012, Basic Rights Oregon donated almost $8,000 to Avakian’s bid for commissioner.
A Basic Rights Oregon employee emailed Burr on January 31, 2015—immediately following McCullough’s order—expressing interest in “hearing about your plan regarding Sweet Cakes case.”
On April 30, 2015, Burr forwarded a conversation to Basic Rights Oregon between himself and an editorial board member for The Oregonian newspaper—related to the Sweet Cakes by Melissa case—with the memo, “FYI.”
“The fact that a state agency is turning over its communications between itself and a major media outlet proves they’re acting in concert with a private advocacy group,” von Spakovsky said.
Burr routinely ignored press inquires from The Daily Signal about the Sweet Cakes by Melissa case, but proactively informed Basic Rights Oregon of updates in the case, sometimes via text.





Tuesday, July 7, 2015

GOD HATES GAY RIGHTS AND DESTROYS NATIONS FOR THEM

"GOD HATES GAY RIGHTS AND DESTROYS NATIONS FOR THEM"
JASON COOLEY, PASTOR
OLD PATHS BAPTIST CHURCH
NORTHFIELD, MINNESOTA

Sodomite "marriage" ruling means dark days ahead for USA
SEE: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/miller/150710republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:

By Gina Miller

Since the last round of twisted, egregious Supreme Court dictates, it has been easy to sit by in numb grief for our nation, because many of us have been warning, like a broken record, that these lawless things were on the way. Even so, strongly expecting the Court to do the wrong thing and finally seeing it happen are two different things. The reality of it is a body blow. We have seen plenty of bad Supreme Court decisions, and it's hard to top Roe v. Wade for badness, but the outrageous ruling on sodomy-based "marriage" is pretty much the final nail in the coffin of the formerly-free Republic of the United States of America, because it will result in the destruction of our God-given, First Amendment-protected freedoms, if there is not massive push-back by the American people. Do you see that push-back happening? Me, neither.

There have been many excellent commentaries roundly refuting the legitimacy of the Court's hellish decision to destroy the meaning of marriage, something the justices of the Court do not have the power nor the authority to do. In their profound arrogance and utter disregard for the Constitution, they made the ruling anyway, and although they handed down this evil edict, they did not change what marriage is, because they can't. Marriage is one thing only, the union of a man and a woman. It will never be anything else, no matter how many rulings and laws born in the pit of Hell say otherwise.

The persecution of Christians in the United States will now begin in earnest, as we have not seen thus far in our nation. While many associate murder with persecution, we're not quite there – yet (but, give it time). Persecution does not necessarily involve outright killing. In addition to slander, defamation, intimidation and other personal attacks, it can mean "legal" assaults on people that cause them to lose their jobs, their money, their private property, their businesses and their freedom. These things have already been happening in cases across the nation, from bakers and photographers to bed and breakfast owners to company CEOs.

With the Supreme Court imposing the abomination of sodomite "marriage" on the United States, we will now see Christian groups and organizations, schools and churches come under lawfare waged by homosexualist foot soldiers, who are the tools of the Marxist cultural revolution that ramped up in the 1960s and has been thrown into warp speed under Barack Obama (or whatever his name is). The goal of this demonic campaign, of which the militant homosexual movement is a central part, has always been the destruction of Christian freedom and expression and the moral and societal foundations of our once-great nation.

The endgame is tyranny over the people, because that is the devil's desire, and the people of this movement do his dark will. Whether it's the homofascist movement, the illegal alien invasion, the war on our energy sector, the heavy-handed federal commandeering of natural resources, even the bolstering of our Muslim enemies abroad and more, we face tyrannical evil on a number of fronts emanating from the communists in the malicious Obama regime and their fellow travelers who now run our nation and its major institutions.

It took them about a hundred years, but the communists, led by the forces of Hell, have finally just about sealed the deal in taking down the United States of America. Don't bother telling me it isn't so, or that I'm a "quitter" for observing the obvious, or that after we elect some more "Republicans" (again) all will be well. It will not be well, because what's wrong with America is something no election can fix. What's wrong with America is a deep corruption of the soul, and the devilish success of the radical homosexual/"transgender" movement is a testament to that deep corruption.

This movement is evil. The Supreme Court ruling destroying marriage is evil. The highest court in the United States has, by the largest, lawless edict yet, given "legitimacy" to abominable sexual behavior and imposed a grotesquery of "marriage" on the nation. Dark days of tyranny are ahead. Our freedoms are hanging by a thread, because God is not mocked. No nation can spit in His holy face, as this nation is doing, and imagine it will come away unscathed. No king in his White House castle can, in haughty pride, illuminate the castle with the hijacked colors of God's rainbow and not pay a dear price for his belligerent affront to the God of all creation. The rainbow belongs to God, and one day every person will admit he knew it all along. Satan has been in heaven, and that means he has seen God's rainbow around His throne (Revelation 4), and as the dirtiest stroke of insolence he can conjure against the Lord, he has inspired the reprobate minds of his homosexualist pawns to hijack that rainbow as a symbol of their degenerate wickedness. This does not end well for our nation.




EMERGING CHURCH GLORIFIES DOUBT UNBIBLICALLY

Glorifying Doubt

July 7, 2015 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org) 
SEE: 
http://www.wayoflife.org/database/glorifying_doubt.phprepublished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:
The following is excerpted from our book What Is the Emerging Church?. The “Emerging Church” movement is a new approach to missions and church life among some “evangelicals” that is influencing many fundamental Baptist churches. The author has made a great effort to understand the emerging church, having read more than 100 books and many articles by emerging church leaders, having visited influential emerging congregations as well as attending with media credentials a large emerging conference sponsored by Zondervan and InterVarsity Press. In reality, the emerging church is simply the latest heresy within the broad tent of evangelicalism. The Bible does not warn in vain, “Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Corinthians 15:33). Chapter titles include the following: What Is the Emerging Church? A Great Blending and Merging. The Liberal Emerging Church. The “Conservative” Emerging Church. 489 pages, available in print and eBook editions from www.wayoflife.org.
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The glorification of doubt and questioning is part of the deconstruction aspect of the emerging church. They aim to deconstruct traditional theology with the objective of reconstructing something different, something allegedly more fitting for “these times.”

Rob Bell says that God gives men “the invitation to follow Jesus with all our doubts and questions right there with us” (
Velvet Elvis, p. 28). He says, “We sponsored a Doubt Night at our church awhile back. People were encouraged to write down whatever questions or doubts they had about God and Jesus and the Bible and faith and church” (p. 29). He says, “Questions bring freedom” (p. 30), and, “Questions, no matter how shocking or blasphemous or arrogant or ignorant or raw, are rooted in humility” (p. 30). 

Tim Condor, pastor of Emmaus Way and member of the coordinating team for Emergent Village, says there must be a “climate of theological openness” to allow people to express their doubts (
An Emergent Manifesto of Hope, p. 106). He says there should never be a punitive consequence or exclusion for expressions of doubt and questioning of even the most cardinal of doctrinal truths. 

Adam Cleaveland says that churches should be “open to critique and deconstruction” (
An Emergent Manifesto of Hope, p. 125). He says there should be safe places “where people can come and be involved in the process of deconstructing ideas and practices, all while remaining open to the new movements and new waves of the Spirit.” 

Barry Taylor says, “Christian faith is open to discussion. Historically it always has been. It can be questioned and reinterpreted. In fact I would argue that it is meant to be questioned and reinterpreted” (
An Emerging Manifesto of Hope, p. 167).

Brian McLaren says that we should welcome “the disillusioned and the doubters” (
A Generous Orthodoxy, p. 172).
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?
The emerging church’s position on doubt/questionings is refuted by the Bible’s distinction between sincere and foolish questions.
Believers should entertain honest questions from seekers, but foolish questions are to be rejected.
“But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes” (2 Timothy 2:23).

“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain” (Titus 3:9). 

We wholeheartedly support the idea of giving unbelievers “space” for expressing their questions and doubts as they are coming to the Lord. The man who led me to Christ spent a few entire days with me patiently teaching me the Bible and answering my questions. I was chock full of Humanism, New Age, Hinduism, Christian Science, and other errors, and I had a lot of questions and challenges to what the Bible taught. I believed there were many ways to God, that reincarnation was true, that a man can find the truth by following his heart, that God would not send people to Hell if they had never heard the gospel, that Christ had learned wisdom in Egypt during the “hidden years,” and many other false things. The man who led me to Christ knew little to nothing about the things I believed at the time, but he did know the Scripture, and as I expressed my views to him, including my doubts about the Bible, he patiently listened and then replied with Scripture. 

In our church planting work in South Asia, many unbelievers visit our public meetings and home Bible studies and village meetings, and we deal with their many questions and doubts. Sometimes their questions are as ridiculous as whether or not we baptize people in cow’s blood (some of the Hindus have actually said this behind our backs) or as substantial as why we believe that Jesus Christ is the only Saviour and why He died on the cross. As we deal with their questions, sometimes they go on to saving faith in Christ and sometimes they turn away, but we deal as best as we can with their all of their issues. 

After people are saved, they still have many doctrinal questions, of course. I thank the Lord for those who patiently taught me the Scriptures and set my thinking straight when I was a young believer. For example, soon after I was saved I found a book by a Seventh-day Adventist at the public library and became confused about the sabbath and whether or not people go to Heaven or Hell at death and such things. The pastor of the church where I was a member showed me what the Bible said and his help and my own prayerful Bible study resolved those doubts. The same thing happened in regard to Pentecostal-Charismatic doctrine. Having been led to Christ by a Pentecostal, I was confused about whether tongues-speaking is for today and such things, but by studying the Bible privately and receiving help from sound teachers, those issues were resolved. I asked sincere questions and received honest Bible answers and the problem was settled. I recall my late friend and former pastor, Gary Prisk. He had lived a roving lifestyle before he was saved, hitchhiking, using drugs, and he didn’t know anything about the Bible. Not long after he came to Christ he went to Bible College, and one day soon after arriving he saw a book with the title “Is Jesus God?” He thought to himself, “No, God is God.” He wasn’t a heretic; he was simply ignorant; and after he was taught what the Bible says about Christ’s divinity he accepted it readily and defended it for the rest of his life. 

Foolish questions, on the other hand, are not to be entertained. A “foolish question” is 
a question that is asked insincerely by a heretic with the goal of confusing people and leading them astray from sound doctrine. This is the immediate context of Titus 3:9-10. A heretic is someone who is self-willed and has rejected sound doctrine in favor of his own opinions and perversions of the truth. The terms “heretic” and “heresy” refer to the willful choice of false doctrine, a willful alignment with error. The heretic is not content with the plain teaching of Scripture but pursues his own agenda. This is exactly what we find in emerging church circles. A foolish question is one that is used in an attempt to overthrow plain Bible teaching, such as questions about the Trinity or Christ’s bodily Resurrection and virgin birth or biblical inspiration or the eternal suffering of Hell or separation from the world. 

It is good to ask sincere questions in the honest search for the truth, but it is evil to entertain questions that deny Bible truth. If the Bible says all unbelievers will suffer conscious eternal torment in fire, which it does, we must not entertain questions that speculate if this is a just punishment. If the Bible claims to be the infallible Word of God, which it does, we are not to question how this could be possible. If the Bible says we are not to love this world, which it does, we are not to question whether this might be a narrow, “legalistic” position. 

Our questions must be controlled by the Bible, not the Bible by our questions. “
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law” (Deut. 29:29).

A foolish question is also 
a question that produces strife and contention among Bible-believing Christians. Titus 3:9 associates foolish questions with “contentions and strivings,” and 2 Timothy 2:23 says foolish questions “gender strifes.” When someone only wants to argue with the Word of God, he stirs up strife and doubt and confusion among others and causes trouble in the churches. 

A heretic is not a person who is merely ignorant of sound doctrine. A true believer can be ignorant of sound doctrine, but the evidence that he is not a heretic will be seen when he responds to sound doctrine and rejects the error. 

The mouths of heretics are stopped 
by refuting their questions and by putting them out of the assemblies (Titus 3:10-11). 

It is impossible to keep the truth without separating from false doctrine and maintaining church discipline. False teachers must be dealt with and not ignored, and the scriptural way to deal with them is to put them out of the assemblies and to separate the believers from them. 

The heretic is to be admonished two times (Titus 3:10). An effort is to be made to reclaim the heretic from his error. It is possible that he is not truly a heretic but that he is only teaching out of ignorance, but the effort is not to be long and drawn out. The heretic is to be admonished 
only two times (Titus 3:10). When it is obvious that he is set in his false ways, he must be rejected and put out of the assembly. Otherwise, he will corrupt others. “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” (Gal. 5:9). 

The heretic condemns himself by his self-willed commitment to error. “
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself” (Titus 3:11). There is something wrong in the heretic’s heart. “Subverted” is from the Greek word “ekstrepho,” which means to be twisted or turned inside out. Something has perverted that person’s heart so that he loves heresy rather than the truth. “Such a one is subverted or perverted--a metaphor from a building so ruined as to render it difficult if not impossible to repair and raise it up again. Real heretics have seldom been recovered to the true faith: not so much defect of judgment, as perverseness of the will, being in the case, through pride, or ambition, or self-willedness, or covetousness, or such like corruption, which therefore must be taken heed of” (Matthew Henry).

Consider an example of how to deal with a foolish question from Jesus’ earthly ministry in Luke 20:1-8 and 20:20-26. Observe that Jesus did not argue with the Pharisees, nor did He waste time giving detailed replies to their insincere questions. He answered with statements that got to the root of the matter and shut their mouths! 

If a person asks a sincere question, it should be answered from the Bible, but if he is asking a question to try to spread rebellion and promote false doctrine and draw people away from the truth, it is not profitable to answer it. 

Therefore, our first point is that we must make a clear distinction between sincere and foolish questions.
The emerging church’s position on doubt/questionings is refuted by the Bible’s requirements for church membership.
There are Bible qualifications for church members, and one of those is that they continue stedfastly in sound apostolic doctrine. This is the pattern that was set in the first church.
“Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers” (Acts 2:41-42). 
Those who were saved and added to the church at Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost were Jews who were steeped in Judaism, but here we see that through the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit they committed themselves to the teaching of the apostles and continued therein.

I am sure they had a thousand and one questions, but the teaching of the apostles settled every issue for them. This is the way it should be in every church.

If a church member asks a question about the deity of Christ or Hell or the sabbath, he should be taught in a patient and compassionate manner. If, though, he refuses to accept the Bible’s teaching and persists in his doubt and unbelief and chooses heresy over the truth, he must be put out of the church.

Thus, there are doubts that an unbeliever can express to us in our evangelistic work that a church member is not allowed to hold. 
The emerging church’s position on doubt/questionings is refuted by the Bible’s exaltation of faith.
The Bible exalts faith over doubt. “
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him” (Heb. 11:6). Jesus rebuked those who doubted (Mat. 6:30; 8:26; 14:31; 16:8) and praised those who had faith (Mat. 8:10; 15:28). He taught that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law (Mat. 23:23) and instructed the people to have faith in God (Mk. 11:22). Zacharias was judged for doubting (Luke 1:20). James says those who doubt can receive nothing from the Lord (James 1:6-8). Christian men are exhorted to praise God without doubting (1 Tim. 2:8). To doubt is sin (Rom. 14:23).

The Bible teaches that we must come to terms with doubt; it must be dealt with; it must be resolved. The Psalmist momentarily doubted in Psalm 73, but his doubt was resolved in the same Psalm and he saw himself as a foolish beast for doubting God. John the Baptist doubted when he was in prison, but Jesus settled his doubt by doing Messianic miracles and thus reminding John that He is the One who was promised and also warning that it is those who are 
not offended in him that are blessed (Luke 7:19-22). On the cross, Jesus cried, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Mat. 27:46), but this was not unresolved doubt; the question He asked is clearly resolved in Scripture. God the Father forsook the Son on the cross because He was bearing the sins of the world (Isaiah 53:5-6; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:4). Jesus’ question was answered.
The emerging church’s position on doubt/questionings is refuted by the Bible’s teaching on the source of faith.
Faith does not come through contemplative practices or ecumenical dialogue; it comes by God’s Word. “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Rom. 10:17). 

True faith, being founded upon God’s inspired revelation has substance and evidence (Hebrews 11:1). The believer’s faith is founded upon “
many infallible proofs” (Acts 1:3). There is nothing blind about it.

FEDERICA MOGHERINI, EU SECURITY HEAD: “POLITICAL ISLAM” IS THE FUTURE OF EUROPE~ENABLER OF THE POPE'S ECUMENICAL AGENDA IN THE POLITICAL ARENA?

EUROPE SELL OUT:

CAPITULATION TO ISLAM BY A COMMUNIST; JUST CARRYING OUT THE POPE'S SOCIALIST AGENDA

FEDERICA MOGHERINI

QUOTES: She is a member of the Italian Democratic Party and the Party of European SocialistsMogherini attended the Sapienza University of Rome where she studied Political Science graduating with a Diploma in Political Philosophy with a thesis entitled "Relationship between religion and politics in Islam". A member of the Italian Communist Youth Federation from 1988, in 1996 Mogherini joined the Youth Left after the dissolution of the Italian Communist Party before its transformation into a social democratic party. In 2001 she became a member of the National Council of the Democrats of the Left (DS), later serving on its National Executive Board and Political Committee. In 2003 she started working at the DS's Foreign Affairs Section, where she was given responsibility for relations with international movements and parties, later becoming the team's coordinator; after that she was given responsibility for Foreign Affairs and International Relations on the staff of DS Party chairman Piero Fassino. In this role, she oversaw relations with Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the Middle East peace process. Mogherini was in charge of maintaining relations with the Party of European Socialists, the Socialist International and other Left-wing parties, including with the US Democratic Party. Criticism of Mogherini ranges from claims of her being pro-Russian and too close to the Kremlin, to not taking the threat of Russia seriously. 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine. The President of Lithuania Dalia GrybauskaitÄ— has publicly called her pro-Kremlin. Her first nomination as EU foreign policy chief was blocked by Eastern European EU member states. Mogherini was criticized for possible conflict of interest as her spokeswoman is married to a communication advisor of the Russian government-owned company Gazprom.

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EU SECURITY HEAD: 

“POLITICAL ISLAM” 

IS THE FUTURE OF EUROPE

Sharia law for the west?
BY PAUL JOSEPH WATSON
SEE: http://www.infowars.com/eu-security-head-political-islam-is-the-future-of-europe/republished below in full unedited for informational, educational, and research purposes:

As the threat from ISIS extremists grows, the European Union’s head of foreign affairs and security policy Federica Mogherini has caused consternation by asserting that “political Islam” is a firm part of Europe’s future.
Responding to last month’s brutal Islamist terror attacks in Tunisia, Kuwait and France, Mogherini dismissed the idea of a clash of civilizations and shot back at critics of mass immigration.
“Islam belongs in Europe. It holds a place in Europe’s history, in our culture, in our food and – what matters most – in Europe’s present and future,” wrote Mogherini, before adding, “I am not afraid to say that political Islam should be part of the picture. Religion plays a role in politics – not always for good, not always for bad. Religion can be part of the process. What makes the difference is whether the process is democratic or not.”
In promoting “political Islam” as part of the future of Europe, Mogherini is violating the very notion that western democracy is supposed to be based on the fundamental principle of separation of church and state (or mosque and state in this case).
Since the zenith of “political Islam” is Sharia law, the legal system derived from the teachings of Islam, she is also promoting the imposition of a system that represents one of the most repressive forces on the planet, subjugating women and allowing for extra-judicial murder such as stoning and beheading, both of which are practiced in Saudi Arabia, a country which exemplifies “political Islam”.
“She was not referring to the Muslims who divide Europe into “us” and “them” by saying, “We will conquer your Rome,” writes Robert Spencer. “She was referring to those who say that such people should be resisted. For even though she says, “Da’esh is Islam’s worst enemy in today’s world,” she has no plan to distinguish its many, many thousands of adherents among Muslims in Europe from those who reject it. And so she and her ilk are heading Europe toward a future of chaos and bloodshed.”
Mogherini’s comments will do little to dispel concerns that world leaders are hesitant to fully acknowledge the threat posed by ISIS, and the fact the group’s campaign of terror is very much Islamic, for fear of appearing politically incorrect.
Indeed, the current debate about how to stop ISIS is not centered around combating the ideology (lifted straight from the Koran) that motivates ISIS’ thousands of fighters and its millions of supporters, but an obsession with not calling the group “Islamic”.
Last month, British Prime Minister David Cameron insisted that ISIS instead be referred to as “Da’esh” because “Islamic State” was offensive to Muslims.
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Call to Europe V : Islam in EU -
Speech by Federica MOGHERINI


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