Monday, January 7, 2013


    As pastoral abuse continues to grow in leaps and bounds seemingly without rhyme or reason, with church leaders becoming like little "fuhrers", there is a type of "Christian Fascism" being constructed that rivals the days of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy in its structure and practice, fast reversing the Reformation and the rights of individual believers. Perhaps this is not only due to the Druckerites, but also the subversive influence of Catholics on Protestant churches through mysticism and feelings-based, experiential worship practices.
    Chris Rosebrough of Fighting for the Faith,, proposes in his recent (in his words) "graduate level lecture" that the Purpose Driven, emerging church methodologies are the offspring of a long line of anti-rationalistic proponents. The following audio only from YouTube (1HR/30MIN)
starts the lecture at about the 9 minute mark:

should be heard in conjunction with his Powerpoint slides in PDF format at his website link: Rosebrough maintains that many of today's non-traditional churches could be characterized as communities of small groups (discussions, not teacher led) and/or "community resource distribution centers".
    This is a bullet point list of some points he made, not all of which are his exact quotes, but additionally are representative of the theme of some of the persons and their philosophies discussed in this lecture:

  • "Leaders have ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY to the people in the congregation. But, the people are accountable to the leaders for accomplishing the vision that they cast." (pastors=vision casters).
  • "Certain churches are belligerents in this battle (for individual rights) and they're NOT fighting for your individual rights."
  • "The individual DOES NOT EXIST. The Community is organic (living)."
  • "Truth is experienced in conversation within community."
  • "Fascist, Totalitarian Scope of Doctrine."
  • "The new Non-Economic Society."
  • "Druckerites: Drucker, Warren, Buford."
  • "They find their guiding light not from church tradition or doctrine so much as their analysis of their target audience."
  • "Asking the marketing question: 'Who are the customers, and what's of value to them?'
  • "They're more interested in the pastoral question: 'What do these people need that we can supply?' than in the theological nuances: 'How can we preserve our distinctive doctrines?'"



Manny Silva of Stand for Truth Ministries reveals the occultic, interfaith and ecumenical nature of Guideposts in the following article reposted in its entirety below the Ray Yungen video about Sue Monk Kidd

Sue Monk Kidd, Guideposts and Its Founder Norman Vincent Peale

Apostasy is spreading everywhere throughout the “Christian” world, and the command by God’s Holy word to “test all things” has never been more appropriate as is now.  No resource, organization, or person, no matter what reputation it has had through the years, should be exempt from scrutiny.  I have found that to be the case with Guideposts, and wish to issue a serious warning for Christians to avoid anything produced by this organization which, when examined, is NOT really a Christian organization. Guideposts produces daily devotionals and other material that has been popular for many years with Christians.  I have never been a regular reader, but have from time to time read some of its devotionals, and it seemed okay to me.  (Rick Warren’s error-filled Purpose Driven Life book also seemed okay to me at first).  On Guidepost’s website, it says: 

“…We’ll bring you true stories of hope, faith, personal growth and positive thinking, plus inspiring quotes, daily devotionals and prayers for every need. A little inspiration…it can change your day, even your life.”

Seems good, but all is not what it seems, which is the reason for writing this.  If you are a Bible believing Christian, my advice to you is to:
Stay away from Guideposts devotionals and any other material;
Get rid of what you have and stop subscribing;
Do not offer Guideposts to anyone;  
Warn others of its true origins and its interfaith, ecumenical and occultic underpinnings and purpose.

How Did Guideposts Start?

Guideposts was founded years ago by the late Norman Vincent Peale, known for his Power of Positive Thinking ideology, which is a philosophy he had in common with Robert Schuller, another guru of positive or possibility thinking.  Few know that he was a 33 degree Mason.  But Peale was also a universalist and denied various critical tenets of the Christian faith, including the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as the only way of salvation.  In a 1984 interview on the Phil Donahue Show, he said: 

"It's not necessary to be born again. You have your way to God; I have mine. I found eternal peace in a Shinto shrine. ... I've been to the Shinto shrines, and God is everywhere."  Donahue exclaimed, "But you're a Christian minister; you're supposed to tell me that Christ is the Way and the Truth and the Life, aren't you?" Peale replied, "Christ is one of the waysGod is everywhere."

Regarding his Freemason roots, here is a quote from the Masonic Magazine in 1993:

"My grandfather was a Mason for 50 years, my father for 50 years, and I have been a Mason for over 60 years.  Freemasonry does not promote any one religious creed. All Masons believe in the Deity without reservation. However, Masonry makes no demands as to how a member thinks of the Great Architect of the Universe. ... men of different religions meet in fellowship and brotherhood under the fatherhood of God."

His teaching emphasized the power of your own mind, a power that turns the wishes of your mind into reality if it is strong enough.  The theme in his most famous book was one of ‘belief in yourself… in your abilities’, rather than trust in the Lord.  After reading about much of his teaching, I find it unbelievable that he still finds credibility within Christian circles, and was even recommended by Billy Graham.  By his own fruits and his words, he was not a Christian.  Peale’s source of knowledge has more to do with heretical teachings linked to the word-faith movement, positive thinking, and also occultic sources, such as visualization, as seen in the December 1998 issue of Guideposts.  Peale endorsed the bookThe Jesus Letters by Jane Palzere and Anna Brown. "What a wonderful gift to all of us from you is your book. You will bless many by this truly inspired book." This was a book communicated through a process known as automatic writing by a spirit who called himself Jesus. (1)  This is pure occultism.

Guideposts sells numerous books on angel sightings, near death experiences, pets in heaven, and other experience based stories with much content that contradicts Scripture. Guideposts also promotes false teachers such as Joel Osteen (prosperity gospel), Henry Blackaby (contemplative spirituality) and St. Therese of Lisieux (contemplative mystic), and Sue Monk Kidd (contemplative spirituality).  Guideposts is strongly ecumenical and interfaith based, with much material written by Peale still being offered, and thus is a source of introducing occultic ideologies to many unsuspecting non-believers, and many Christians.  Contrary to the claims on the website, the “power of positive thinking” is not based on Holy Scripture, but on Peale’s New Age ideas.  He has also endorsed many New Age/occultic teachers, such as Bernie Siegal and Eric Butterworth.

When one reads Norman Vincent Peale, it is obvious that he never tells anyone that they must come to repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ before they can become a child of God, born again and indwelt by His Spirit. Instead the assumption is that everyone is already a child of God and can access the Power through using certain principles and techniques. (2)

So Who is Sue Monk Kidd?

This Christmas, my wife received a Guideposts planner from a Christian friend.  As she was going through the pages, she came over to me and said, “look at the name here.”  I was shocked to see that the name of the person who wrote that particular day’s devotional was Sue Monk Kidd.  I was even more shocked when I found many more devotionals written by her, roughly a third of all the devotionals in the book.

Sue Monk Kidd is a former Baptist Sunday School teacher.  One day after church a co-worker gave her a book by Thomas Merton.  In short, after reading this book, Sue Monk Kidd was hooked by the idea of contemplative spirituality as a way of getting to know God “better”, and the rest is history.  Because much of what she writes is "good", her books are very popular now with many well-meaning Christians, including The Secret Life of Bees which was made into a movie.  But many do not know that Sue Monk Kidd’s ‘Jesus’ is not the Jesus of true Christianity.  She is now a major player in the promotion of the false movement of contemplative prayer (aka contemplative spirituality or contemplative mysticism).  She is to be marked and avoided as instructed by Holy Scripture.

The following is from Ray Yungen’s book exposing mysticism in the church, A Time of Departing:

Monk Kidd's spirituality is spelled out clearly in her book When the Heart Waits. She explains:
There's a bulb of truth buried in the human soul [not just Christian] that's "only God" ... the soul is more than something to win or save. It's the seat and repository of the inner Divine, the God-image, the truest part of us. (emphasis mine)
Sue Monk Kidd, an introspective woman, gives a revealing description of her spiritual transformation in her book God's Joyful Surprise: Finding Yourself Loved. She shares how she suffered a deep hollowness and spiritual hunger for many years even though she was very active in her Baptist church. She sums up her feelings:
Maybe we sense we're disconnected from God somehow. He becomes superfluous to the business at hand. He lives on the periphery so long we begin to think that is where He belongs. Anything else seems unsophisticated or fanatical.
Ironically, a Sunday school co-worker handed her a book by Thomas Merton, telling her she needed to read it. Once Monk Kidd read it, her life changed dramatically. What happened next completely reoriented Sue Monk Kidd's worldview and belief system. She started down the contemplative prayer road with bliss, reading numerous books and repeating the sacred word methods taught in her readings. She ultimately came to the mystical realization that:
I am speaking of recognizing the hidden truth that we are one with all people. We are part of them and they are part of us ...
When we encounter another person, ... we should walk as if we were upon holy ground. We should respond as if God dwells there.
(A Time of Departing, 2nd Ed., pp.134-135
It is sad to know that a once solid Baptist Sunday School teacher can be deceived so easily, yet it is no surprise.  It is also sad to see that a supposedly Christian organization is not really a Christian organization, and is promoting mysticism to millins of Christians through Sue Monk Kidd.  From her book Dance of the Dissident Daughter, Monk Kidd clearly rejects Holy Scripture as the authority for Christians in exchange for something else:

“I remember a feeling rising up from a place about two inches below my navel. ... It was the purest inner knowing I had experienced, and it was shouting in me no, no, no! The ultimate authority of my life is not the Bible; it is not confined between the covers of a book. It is not something written by men and frozen in time. It is not from a source outside myself. My ultimate authority is the divine voice in my own soul. Period. ... That day sitting in church, I believed the voice in my belly. ... The voice in my belly was the voice of the wise old woman. It was my female soul talking. And it had challenged the assumption that the Baptist Church would get me where I needed to go” (The Dance of the Dissident Daughter, pp. 76, 77, 78).

The following by Dwayna Litz (who has a great evangelistic outreach ministry called LightingThe Way Worldwide, shows that Kidd was being promoted at least since 2006:

Guidepost Magazine No Longer Christian? 

A friend of mine sent me a recent Guidepost magazine, outraged by an endorsement they were making in the November, 2006 issue. I looked over it, and I was also taken aback by their promotion of theological feminism and decided to give them a call.
I picked up the phone and called Guidepost magazine. I kept my voice calm and low and spoke to someone to make a comment. I said:

"I was under the impression that Guidepost is a Christian magazine. Is that true?"

She said, "No, it is not true. It is a spiritual magazine to reach out to people in all faiths."

I said, "Oh, ok, so that would explain why you are promoting someone who walks with the turtles to get the spirit of the turtle and who makes a shrine to the Mother-god and who is offended by patriarchal language of the Bible."

She didn't say anything.

I continued, "I am talking about your endorsement of Sue Monk Kidd and promotion of her books. That is atrocious from a Christian standpoint."

She calmly answered, "Ok," to acquiesce cordially to me as a "customer."

I said, "I have a Christian ministry, and I will be letting people know about this."

She said, "Ok," and we hung up.

The conversation lasted for about two minutes. I just wanted to let everyone know that the November 2006 issue of Guidepost is now promoting Sue Monk Kidd, and, by their own admission, the magazine is not Christian but "spiritual" to "reach people of all faiths."

Dwayna Litz

Obviously Guideposts still promotes Sue Monk Kidd, as well as Joel Osteen and other unbiblical resources.  Even though there is much which Guideposts recommends that is good, there is a whole lot of New Age leaven and other false teachings being sown that disqualifies Guideposts as a sound Christian resource.

Beware of Guideposts.

(1) (Let Us Reason Ministries)
(2) Norman Vincent Peale:

For more on Norman Vincent Peale, Sue Monk Kidd, and Guideposts Magazine:

Sue Monk Kidd's Spirituality: Guideposts Magazine: Christian or New Age? (
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From New York Times via Christian News in its entirety, describing the "new paradigm" of doing church is below:
coffee cup pdAn article released this week by the New York Times outlines that coffeehouse churches and other non-traditional settings are becoming the new wave across the nation as many pastors and emergent congregations are attempting to reinnovate the church in order to reach a culture that is increasingly turning against God.
“The cool thing is church planting,” said Warren Bird of the Leadership Network. “The uncool thing is to go into the established church. Why that has taken over may speak to the entrepreneurialism and innovation that today’s generation represents.”
Therefore, many new pastors are deciding to meet inside of coffee shops, theaters, warehouses and even bars to attract those that are turned off to Christianity.
“It’s pretty low risk to wander into a bar or movie theater or hotel,” stated Professor Scott Thumma of the Hartford Institute for Religion Research. “It ends up delivering the message of relevance: we’re just like you, we’re struggling, we might have a beer together — and our faith is also relevant.”
Many churches that continue to meet in a conventional church building are also now deciding to add a coffee hour before or after the services in order to utilize the idea, in hopes that it might draw new people for the sake of community. “Coffee hour: 9:30, worship: 10:30″ announce some signs on church properties nationwide.
“Already several people have discovered the freedom of coming into a safe place to experience God without the formality of a church sanctuary setting,” said Pastor Leon Fikse of Bethany Reformed Church of Redland, California, who recently created a coffeehouse atmosphere at his church, complete with drinks and refreshments. “We encourage those who think this is worth a try to come and to see for themselves how this works for them.”
Others work to make the services into more of a club atmosphere with flashy stage lighting, smoke machines, an edgy band, and modern dances and dramas performed by the youth group. Woodlands Church near Houston, Texas, which has over 15,000 members on four campuses, utilizes more of the concert atmosphere, and Stevens Creek Church in Augusta, Georgia, has a similar feel with a large worship band that includes electric guitars and several backup singers. One Woodlands servicefeatured online shows the worship team performing U2 and Eminem songs on stage for the congregation.
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“For us, it’s all about being interactive,” Pastor Paul Wirth of Relevant Church in Tampa, Florida told the New York Times. The publication reports that one Sunday, Wirth took his innovations even further and decided to dress in a rabbit suit and surprise the congregation by loading them all onto chartered buses, where he took them to the local park.
However, there are some pastors across America that do not endorse attempts to transform the church in order to be accepted by the culture. They lament that the focus has now shifted in many churches to where man is the center instead of Christ.
Pastor Scott Brown
Pastor Scott Brown
“The Church wants something cooler than God,” Pastor Scott Brown, the director of the National Center for Family-Integrated Churches and elder at Hope Baptist Church in Wake Forest, North Carolina, told Christian News Network. “They want something cooler than the New Testament Church, so they invent a new church for a new generation because they fear losing the next generation.”
“The huge mistake is that it gives people themselves instead of what they really need,” he continued. “People need God. They don’t need more of themselves and they definitely don’t need more of the culture.”
Pastor David Whitney of Cornerstone Evangelical Free Church in Pasadena, Maryland agreed.
“The purpose of worship is to honor and glorify God,” he said. “Christianity is about experiencing God, not experiencing a rock concert.”
Whitney said that in Biblical times, people didn’t take well to Christianity either, and we should not expect a different response today.
“Paul said that his preaching was often despised,” he outlined. “He said that the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing. … People turned away when Jesus’ message turned particular and difficult. … It’s not something that’s going to be attractive to the lost.”
Brown outlined that trying to reach the unsaved by humanistic means produces a bottomless pit of continuing to feed people with humanism.
“If you win them with coffee, then you’re going to have to keep them with coffee. If you win them with clowns, you’re going to have to keep giving them clowns,” he explained. “But, if you win them with God, then you give them God, and that’s what they need the very most.”
“It’s humanism that gives birth to entertainment-focused churches,” he added. “It’s an idolization of coolness rather than holiness. … [However,] the Church of God is defined by the holiness of God, not the coolness of man.”
Pastor David Whitney
Pastor David Whitney
“Jesus did not say, ‘Take up your La-Z Boy recliner and follow Me.’ He said, ‘Take up your cross and follow Me,’” Whitney stated. “That way is a lot less glamorous and a lot less popular.”
But the men assert that Christianity is not about being popular or accepted by the culture. It’s about honoring, obeying and worshiping God.
“If you’re really about what Jesus said regarding success, it’s about being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and obeying all that He commanded them,” Whitney said. “The message that’s first and foremost is ‘Repent.’ How can you repent unless you know you’re a sinner? There’s no message of repentance [in most churches today]. There’s no message of sin. Most pulpits will never mention Hell. … We are not called to make converts, we are called to make disciples.”
“When the objective has become [connecting] people with people, then people become the defining focus of the church. And when your objective is connecting people with God, that becomes your defining focus,” Brown stated. “And so the question is, what are we connecting people with? [Is it] with one another, with the culture or are you trying to connect people with God?”
They stated that the early church never tried to use worldly means to reach the lost. Instead, gatherings were for the purpose of building up believers in the faith, and church meetings were never used for evangelism. Rather, the people went out to preach and teach, rather than changing the church so that people would come to them.
“The early church was persecuted and hated and pounded,” Whitney explained. “They were hated because they preached the truth; they preached repentance; they preached that there is only one God. … It was considered intolerant.”
“The early church got together and they prayed and sang. They read the Scriptures, and they experienced the preaching of the word of God. They celebrated the Lord’s Supper,” Brown outlined.
Brown stated that at his church in North Carolina, he aims to keep Christ at the center with no distractions.
“If you came to our church, … I pray that what you would find is that we gather around God as the central focus on the church,” he said. “[That we gather] around the word of God and the preaching of it and the reading of it, singing praises to God and celebrating the Lord’s Supper, and that we would pray. Jesus said, ‘My House shall be called a house of prayer.’ And so, we limit ourselves to these things.”
“We want our people to be satisfied with God and what He has commanded,” Brown continued. “It might be cooler and hipper to show video clips of hot movies or things like that, but what we would say is, ‘No, be satisfied with God.’ God has called us to gather and pray and read and listen to the preaching of the word of God, and we ought to be humble people ready to do what God commanded us to do.”
Whitney said that just because coffeehouse and club atmospheres may attract new people, doesn’t mean that men are being made into disciples.
“It looks like growth, but cancer grows, too,” he said.
“Rather than relating with people by becoming like people, the church is to present the glory of God,” Brown exhorted. “When people come into the church, they should see a completely new kingdom, a completely new community. They should see how different God is than they are and how much more wonderful He is, and how His ways are much more beautiful than their ways.”
“Churches can meet in fields. Churches can meet in catacombs. Churches can meet in a traditional church building,” he noted. “But when the church starts identifying with a coffeehouse rather than the imagery that God has provided, then the Church has really departed from historic Christianity.”


The two previous posts of this blog which dealt with the Southern Baptist Convention in particular, included:
1) Ralph Ovadal of Pilgrims Covenant Church, Monroe, Wisconsin,, has two great  sermons on the SBC which demonstrates its ecumenism, etc. Visit Sermon Audio, "Heart of the Matter":
2) David Cloud of Way of Life explains reasons for not being a Southern Baptist at: In summary the reasons are as follows:

    There is a compelling need to update the progression within the SBC of it growing ecumenism, adoption of Catholic contemplative mysticism and lectio divina, worldliness, and carnality. 
January 24, 2013 UPDATES as follows:
    David Cloud's Way of Life includes articles on the SBC below, some of which are lengthy, but thoroughly researched:
1) "The Treacherous Waters of the Southern Baptist Convention", subtitled "The Path From Independent Baptist to the Shack, Rome and Beyond" at:, with free E-Book at:
2) "The Southern Baptist Convention and the Baptist World Alliance" chronicles the SBC support and funding of the BWA, an ecumenical group of worldwide Baptist denominations. The article is here:
3) "Why Most Fundamental Baptist Churches Will Be Emerging Within Two Decades" catalogs Baptist churches, schools and universities that are ecumenical, Catholic sympathizing, paracticing mysticism and yoga, here:
4) "A Visit to a Southern Baptist Seminary" here:
    Ken Silva, presently still affiliated with the SBC as far as we know, runs where he has excellent articles, some of which are these:
1) "Southern Baptist Convention Using More Counter Reformation Contemplative Spirituality" here:
2) "Lifeway (SBC publishing house) Encouraging Southern Baptists to Practice Lectio Divina", here:
3) "Southern Baptist David Jeremiah Praises 'Vision God' Gave To TBN's Paul Crouch" here:
4) "Alabama Baptist Convention (SBC) Encourages You To Learn Lectio Divina from Apostate Tony Jones" here:
5) "Southern Baptists Assist the Roman Catholic Church to Infiltrate Evangelicalism" here:
    The following list of emergents were found on Liberty University's YouTube Channel, and have spoken at the university's "Convocation" in the last couple of years. It should be noted that none of these appear to have been to Liberty to speak more than approximately three years ago. Liberty has not protected the youth there from all the modern apostasies, or even bothered to warn them. Apparently, Falwell's sons, Al Mohler, etc, have no problem with these folks and offering them speaking engagements. Liberty is surely not the same independent Baptist school it once was when Jerry Falwell was alive. However, Jerry did decide to affiliate the school with the SBC, thereby declaring that he and the school repudiated biblical separation". Liberty's YouTube Channel portrays the school's image as an entertainment complex in Lynchburg, Virginia with a showtime lineup.
    Among many others are: Mark Driscoll, Steven Furtick, Franklin Graham, Christine Caine, Jentezen Franklin, Louie Giglio, David Jeremiah, James Robison, Francis Chan, Rick Warren, Ed Stetzer, etc.
   As if this wasn't enough evidence to convince Christians to abandon the SBC, there is the persistent problem of Freemasons being allowed to join SBC churches and they number over 1,100,000. The following sites clearly show the connections.
From Freemasonry Watch is this article:
From Saints Alive is this article:
    Still need more evidence that is incontrovertable? Just know that God hates Christians being involved with the occult just as much as He hates our man-centered "other gospels" being presented to the next generation of young Christians.